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If Russia wins there will be more wars and more lives lost. It will not work any better than Chamerlain giving Hitler the Sudetenland.
Giving Russia what they want at best pauses the fighting until they can regroup and come back for more. Anyone, like myself, who lives in this region knows that, because we were paying attention when Russia invaded Chechnya, Georgia, Moldova, and now Ukraine since Putin came to power.
The end result will be a string of wars lasting decades, and culminating in nothing less than a Russian/Chinese war machine waging a full world war against the West. This is what their leaders are talking about when they talk about a reorganization of the world order. It's a very common theme for discussion on Russian TV. The vast majority of Europeans have learned their European history well enough to know this.
There is no avoiding this for the USA either. The US has 2 options.
Option 1 guarantees millions of deaths. Option 2, hundreds of thousands. Your plan guarantees the maximum loss of life.
And anyway, isn't it up to Ukraine to decide if they want to fight or not? Why the hell is it up to you or Cornell West?
West was prescribing a position based on a hypothetical situation where both sides choose diplomacy. That is what I agree with. That is not the current situation. Russia has said they do not seek diplomacy and Ukraine doesn’t want to concede land, so the hypothetical is irrelevant. If you don’t agree to the hypothetical diplomacy, due to historical precedence and speculation for the future, you’re condemning the region to war. Yes, Russia may continue and expand the war. But making geopolitical decisions based on fear and speculation is not the ideal position when lives are being lost daily. Do you want the war to stop? If you do, then Cornel West’s position of diplomacy is the best option.
I agree that a position based on a hypothetical world we don't live in is not useful. Diplomacy in the current reality that we live in will only cost more lives than defeating Russia will. This is abundantly obvious given all the evidence Russia has given us over the last 20 years.
And again, this is Ukraine's decision to make, not ours, not Cornell's.
Here's a good video by a philosopher who grew up in Russia that very well describes the complexities of this situation:
https://youtu.be/017WGzJ5fHA
Good video. Although I was distracted when reading about his illness. I’ve researched this somewhat recently and am understanding the reasoning for supporting NATO in Ukraine. I think the central dissonance is between comfort and change. I have no misconceptions about Putin/Russian imperialism and what their intent is. And for that matter, China. I also understand the goals of American / European imperialism. The consistency of capitalism. In that regard, Western imperialism is better because it is comfortable and what we know. But when analyzed from a global perspective, it is the greater evil, and needs to change. Niger is a current example. The greater left sees this in NATO and forms opinions accordingly. You can be against Russian aggression and NATO expansion. You can support Ukraine independence and be against capitalist imperialism. Those of us voicing opinions against NATO aren’t necessarily pro Russia/ Putin.