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[–] [email protected] 95 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (5 children)

In all of my IT jobs I would have been fired if I had signed into work accounts on my personal phone. It's a pretty big security risk.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

True, but in small companies it's not uncommon.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I was at a subsidiary of a very large company and had work slack, email, and all my code on my phone, without even the thing that lets them remote wipe your phone.

It has to do with culture and willingness to put in the effort by the security organization

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Get hit with one ransom ware attack and that shit'll pivot 180.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

Yeah, or even just budget cuts. I am sure it's cheaper to just lock it down.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

Not exclusive to IT; I had to weigh the benefits of continuing to work as a caregiver for a small company, versus working in retail for a massive chain (which translates to fantastic insurance benefits.)

Sadly not a competition.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Unless it's 24h gold service with 24k gold pay, the work phone gets turned off at the end of office hours.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

There are places that pay well for on call though.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

While true, most enterprises have ways to silo and encrypt their data on non company controlled devices.

Android does something like that when you install ms office apps with administrator controlled policies

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Fuck their data, what about my own? That pest of an app is not getting onto my device. And neither is anything else that gives an employer any control over my device.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 hours ago

A totally reasonable stance.

For clarity, the android feature essentially makes a work dedicated partition on the phone. Their management app can manage that partition, and for the purposes of data movement it's essentially a distinct phone.
If they've set it up correctly they can do a remote wipe without touching your personal data.

https://support.google.com/work/android/answer/7502354?sjid=18390510946809838606-NC#zippy=%2Ci-own-my-device

In a lot of cases the drive to have users use their personal devices rather than employer owned ones comes from the users, not the workplace. Only needing to keep track of one device is easier in many cases.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 hours ago

My policy as well. Non-negotiable hard no. But I'm fortunate enough to have at least some choice with regard to employment.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 hours ago

Eh, it doesn't need to be, you just need to do the work of putting together granular access controls that can account for your risk profiles.

The risk isn't much different between a company owned telephone and a personal telephone.
They're both susceptible to most of the same attacks, or being left on the bus.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago

Most companies seem to have don't ask, don't tell policies in place.

Technically we're not allowed to use Teams on our phones, but most of us do, including management.

I'm also technically not allowed to use Spotify on my laptop, but if they'd enforce that ban, IT would be gone tomorrow.