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The reality is there are only two choices. Which will you choose?
The reality is that there are thousand of choices but propaganda makes you believe there's only two. The world and society weren't build by the red and blue party.
Aspirationally, of course there are more than two choices. Realistically, only two of those have a chance at success. The US electoral system has ensured this. The way to fix the system is to elect those who want to change it for the better, not those who wish to destroy it and all it stands for.
Realistically until elections are over everyone has the same change of winning because ballot polls are hypothetical. Voting is not the only way you have to change things for good. The same way there's people advocating for corrupted parties you can waste your energies on something more useful.
And as you smile smugly to yourself about your moral superiority for choosing philosophy over the unfortunate situation that is reality, women die due to lack of reasonable healthcare, minorities and those deemed "deviant" by fundamentalists are oppressed, and the genocide in Palestine is ramped up and overtly supported by American interests because the right doesn't do this kind of philosophical masturbation and thus handily wins the election.
Look, I want to see the end of the binary too, but only an ignorant person thinks you can win a race by being dropped off at the finish line and walking 2 steps. The end of the binary will not come from a surprise upset Presidential election out of nowhere. It just won't. Not today, not ever. If you actually give a shit about making a change and not just feeling above it all personally, you'd be out on the streets in non election years working to legitimize third party candidates in viable lower and local races where they can win and affect change outside the party system. And if you're somewhere where that has already happened, you'd be working with them to extend their reach, pushing their influence further. Or you'd be running locally as a third-party candidate yourself.
And if you are already doing that, first off thank you so much, but secondly, then you must understand what a difficult uphill battle the fight is and more importantly you must understand you can't just skip ahead to the finish line.
You mention that voting is not the only way to change things for good and you are absolutely right. Hell, I'd say it's not even one of the primary ways. But what voting is is one of the highest return on investment ways of effecting change; the amount of effect it takes to vote is beyond nominal, practically insignificant, yet the consequences have significant real world impact. Not smartly utilizing your vote is like being hungry in a cabin in the woods and taking a knife out hunt a wild boar for food when there is a literal ham sandwich in a ziploc bag in the fridge waiting for you.
I'm constantly working on local stuff, my vote has never made any kind of a difference - I live in an urban area jerrymandered to include as much of the suburbs as possible, they vote in lockstep to keep their taxes low and poors out. They are bipartisan about that. The local democratic committees are all just full of the family of people running for office and nobody with good politics has the time or energy to participate in the democratic party
I'm in a blue state, I've voted every year for decades, it's always felt like a waste of time. Any time I ask elected representatives about something they didn't already want to do they (or their staff) tell me to fuck off.
Sure, every voter in the country could suddenly and radically change their minds about who to vote for, but we both know that isn't going to happen, because it's never happened. The only time that a third party has ever upset an established party is when the Republicans threw out the Whigs before the American Civil War. They did that through years of lead-up and messaging, along with a growing emancipation movement. You're not changing anyone's minds that radically this close to an election.
Believe it or not, I don't spend most of my day voting or responding to internet comments.
US libs value Americans© lifes more than us nonyanks. Well I'm ever asked the same question, I will not show any solidarity with them. I hope you guys get the civil war you started in so many foreign countries.
So no actual answer then?
Look I'd buy some nutella and spread it on the ballot. I want to pass a message but I'm classy like that.
Anyway nobody's asking me lmao fix your goddamn country.
Nobody asks you to fix America, they asked you what choice you would make.
Here are the options:
-You can vote for a candidate that represents 10,000 people dying
-You can vote for a candidate that represents 5,000 people dying
-You can abstain and guarantee that the candidate that represents 10,000 people dying wins.
These are your options. There are no other options. So maybe you value your own personal moral integrity more than the lives of 5,000 people, but any reasonable person will see that the second option is the only viable choice if you actually want to be decent.
edit: formating
I thought the reason why you guys had guns was for this kind of situation. Use them. A governement that gives you the choice between genocide and genocide sounds tyranical to me.
Cool man, you successfully recognized that class divide exists in the US just as much as anywhere else and that the ruling class are a minority whose decisions don't represent the working class. Kudos to you for your next-level observation skills!
Here's the thing though: even if we do spark up the fires of revolution tomorrow, you know what? It's probably gonna take more than a month. In the meantime, there is still going to be an American president and there is still going to be an election the fate of which will still have real world impact immediately, including in regards to the Palestinian genocide. Which means even if we're marching up on the White House in victory 8 months (imagining an impossibly best-case fictional scenario here) for now we still have the weight of the choice for President and the inordinate amount of very real lives that decision impacts, both domestically and abroad. So again, any decent person will make the moral choice for harm reduction; whether they acknowledge more needs to be on the personal level to solve the greater issues or not.
Stop letting your childish hateboner for America steal all the blood flow from your brain.
But I was about to hatecum :( meanie
Look I understand your pov. Just realize that from the outside it sounds like you're throwing the "third world" under the bus. Like everytime. US external policy never ceased to be shit so don't be suprised if foreigners are bothsidists.
Anyway stay safe.
Again, you've successfully recognized that America puts its own interests before the interests of foreign nations, same as everywhere else.
For all the shit the world likes to give America for acting like the world police or arbiters of society, rightly so btw, ya'll keep expecting America to act different too. If you think America is deceptive or evil or whatever in our attempts to be the world police, then just stop believing the lie. Don't expect America to be any more altruistic than any other nation and I think it all makes sense. Imo there is no "third world"; people are mostly the same everywhere. Every nation is selfish and every nation is dealing with some level of corruption - so why in the world would you begrudge the people of America for trying their hardest to at least do what they can to reduce the harmful impact of that corruption?
That's more of a general human trait than an American one. Yes, Americans are very fond of their exceptionalism, but valuing the lives of your own tribe and kin more than those of others is something most mammals share. I dont want war anywhere in the world. I hope you have a nice day.
Then please write your politician to tell them to force netanyahu to calm his tits.
My gf have friends in lebannon. She have friends from gaza. She hurts.
Please?
That's exactly the problem, no one can force Netanyahu to do anything. He's complety off his rocker. He's doing everything to stay in power, because the moment he's not, the courts will go after him. That's why he's trying to appease both those pushing for peace (Yes, I actually mean Biden here) and the warmongers (Israeli right wingers). Notice how he hasn't gotten all the hostages back? That's on purpose. The longer the war goes on, the better for him. Now, who do you rather want in the White House next year? A feeble old man who will go along with everything Bibi says? Or an experienced prosecutor who can put her foot down?
I'm sorry for your friends. They need to leave, now. If war came to my doorstep, that's what I would do.
US government is supporting israel fascist government, they could have prevent the genocide by simply not arming israel to death and gifting them billions. They can still persuade israel government to stop by simply stopp aiding them but they are doing the opposite.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war
Please. When the serbs did genocide the NATO bombed Belgrade. Kadhaffi was gone in a week. You're telling me the US doesn't have leverage against Israel? Come on now. Quit giving them weapons otherwise you guys are complicit, as simple as that.
I'd love to. Alas, all political power vested in me is in the form of a ballot. And I've already voted not to make the situation worse.
That's bullshit. That line of thinking makes you complicit with the atrocities committed in your name.
Voting is absolutely not the only way to make your voice heard. Quite the opposite. You ate the carrot, you're still obeying the farmer.
In my name? The only atrocities commited in my name are the ones I committed myself. And I certainly wouldn't call those atrocities.
Sure, I can go out and protest, which I do.
All right my friend Im sorry for lashing out at you. Take care of yourself <3
You too. I think we both spend too much time in internet comments. We should get out more ❤️
Yes we should. How are the protests? I heard they were cracking down hard on campuses in the US.
That's the great thing. I can vote without having to actually live in the US.
I've done so, Peter Welch is solidly against genocide and Bernie Sanders is trying congressional wizardry to try and cut off arms shipments.
Yeah you guys have been trying for a year now. Maybe stop trying and do something.
Dude, I understand that America is fucking awful right now but don't bullshit about shit you don't understand... Some people are just paying lip service or stalling but Bernie is really fucking trying.
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/news-sanders-and-colleagues-move-to-block-arms-sales-to-israel/
I know he is mate but I do not believe the US governement will lift the pinky.
Admitting gaza is a ghetto would be admitting putting indians in reserves wasn't cool either
It's not my responsibility to fix your goddamn country. Stop supporting genocide.
Are you implying the USA has a functional democracy whose actions follow the will of the people?
Fair point
Not your responsibility? Oh, okay. Then feel free to refrain from contributing to the conversation.
You okay?
People here are not in charge of the Israeli government you know.
Or you meant the Russo Ukrainian war? Well then I sure hope Kamala wins too.
What about the Uyghurs? Shal we vote thirdparty so donald can give a full go to China there too?
What about my friend in lebannon who's parent getting bombed with white phosphorus, idiot? Fuck you u twatyank. I hope the israeli war gets so bad you guys get drafter and you see your children sent there never to come back. That'd maybe teach you not to support the war machine.
The US gave them the 2 tons bomb that just exploded on an hospital. I don't give a shit about trump. You are american. Trump is your fault and your responsability. You fix trump. You fight against trump instead of being a little coward thinking he will stop fascism by casting his little ballot. And then you put the warcrimers in jail and drop the key.
Yanks are monsters omg "a little less genocide". Do you guys fucking hear yourself?
Lol. What a lot of effort it must be to project your preconceptions on some rando on the internet. How do you know I don't give a shit? That seeing these things doesn't hurt me to my core? What do you want me to do, go out and start murdering politicians? Sit down and think for a few minutes before writing your next comment.
All right I'm sorry.
If you want your heavily censored american-only echo-chamber there's a website called reddit you could go to.
You sound upset, is everything okay?
Yes actually I got my daddy's guitar so I'm learnin how to play tunbalalaika like a true antisemite.