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[–] [email protected] 8 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

If the choice is spend more to hold onto the byproducts or let the byproducts slowly make the entire earth uninhabitable I'm kinda in favour of the former. Ideally completely green energy would be preferred but I guess it just doesn't scale well with consumer demands and patterns :/.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

There is rarely only a binary choice. Arguing like there is creates a false dilemma.

The combination of Wind solar and batteries is greener, more cost effective and more scalable than nuclear.

Or we could pop the AI bubble and concentrate on reducing consumption.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

It does, and it's cheaper and faster to implement. Solar and wind are dirt cheap. Storage has long been the bottleneck, but we've made gargantuan progress in scalable battery technology (sodium batteries, for example).

A green grid would also help distribute energy production closer to where people live, and reduce single points of failure. It goes to increase grid resilience and reduce dependence on a few large energy corporations.

Nuclear was a useful technology, and likely safer than coal. But anyone pushing for nuclear (over 100% renewables) nowadays is helping uphold the status quo of centralized energy production in the hands of a a few rich capitalists.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Lol. Seems the nuclear lobby is here and down-voting everyone who likes progress.

I read renewable energy is way cheaper than nuclear energy. And it comes with a low carbon footprint and without nuclear waste. (We have some actual historical numbers in the World Nuclear Report P. 293 which show nuclear is pretty expensive compared to renewable these days.)

So the solution is pretty obvious. Sign a contract over a few billion dollars with renewable energy instead of nuclear. It'll be cheaper anyways. And has the added benefit that it's available now. Whereas the SMR startups still have to figure out a few engineering challenges. And we'd avoid all the nuclear waste that'll become a problem for future generations. And I mean it's not that uranium or the other ores are super abundant anyways. Nuclear fission is a temporary solution in the first place. And not a particularly good one.

And investing in renewable will then grow that industry and make the energy even cheaper.

Only downside I see is: you can't build renewable (and the datacentre) anywhere. It'd have to be for example in Texas for solar, or close to the mountains or some water flow for hydro. Or somewhere windy or at the shore for wind energy. The latter two have the benefit that they're available during the night, too. And I guess the USA has some minor potential for thermal energy, too. But I don't consider this a major issue since we have internet pretty much everywhere. They'd just need to lay some more fibre network to the site.