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Middle East live: UN says its peacekeepers refused Israeli request to leave positions in Lebanon
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 12 Oct 2024
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Bigger question. Given that it's known that Israel's issuing evacuation orders for places that it's going to hit, why are people on the ground making the call to go or stay? Like, why hasn't this policy call been made at a higher level?
I'd understand if this were the first one going out and nobody had time to make a policy call on it. Then you have to make an ad hoc call quickly.
But this isn't that situation, not now.
Leaving would mean that they can't do the job they was assigned to
israeli government/army are the same assholes as those fuckers surrounding them. hamas, hezbollah, all same shit.
Gotta love accounts saying why aren't they just following Israel ordersthen finding them saying Israel is keeping the civilian killed ratio at low levels in the same say
Why would a peacekeeping force listen to the ones being the aggressors?
Why would anyone be dumb enough to try and order them around or shoot them?
The Italian defense minister explained it pretty well: https://youtu.be/Ox0AzK7iVe4?si=1D4m8M7B-DIYcBci
There is a UNSC resolution, if Israel has a problem with that, they have to take it up with the UNSC.
Because it's their own life at stake and they should always have the choice.
In a military operation, there are going to be directives as to how to act. You have RoEs, and usually normally countries are going to make calls as to what they want to do from a policy standpoint with their militaries.
The UN isn't a military organization. It is a peacekeeping org and as such is not bound by the same operational rules as an army would be.
The soldiers are sent from the militaries of member countries.
Doesn't mean they have the same obligations as normal soldiers. Like unifil soldiers can't engage in offensive attacks unlike soldiers in the members countries armies. Their role is to monitor rather than engage militarly. I don't even think the country members have also the authority to order them to move due to the contract
That does not mean they work under military rules. They are under UN control, and the UN is a peacekeeping force. It is not a nation state military force.
The UN isn't, but the soldiers themselves are, and are acting for their respective member state military:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_peacekeeping
That says the UN controls the troops.
They are not an army, they are a peacekeeping force.
They are also under UN rules, not their own nation's.
If the UN decides they can choose to stay or leave, that's what happens.
They are members of their own state militaries acting in an operation headed by the UN.
They have ROEs and similar orders handed to them.
kagis
Here's a sample UN peacekeeping RoE for a recent exercise simulating an actual operation.
https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/siteassets/english/swedint/engelska/swedint/courses/unsoc/d-29-roe-incl-annex-a-d.pdf
It'll lay out the conditions under which one attacks and to what degree peacekeepers should hold maintain a position given the possibility that it is attacked, who they are authorized to engage, and such.
In this situation, you've got an active conflict underway between Hezbollah and Israel. Like, this isn't going to be a "there's nobody shooting at each other" situation. My point is that normally, countries are pretty particular about the lines for international conflict, and I'd expect an RoE to have specified whether they are expected to maintain positions during an evacuation order or not.
I work for company A. Company A is based in Florida, USA. I work in a warehouse owned by Company X, and staffed by Company Z.
As an employee of Company A, I do have my own conduct rules.
That said, when working in Company X's warehouse with Company Z's people, I have a different set of conduct rules, some of which conflict with Company A's rules. But since I'm currently on contract with and on the premises of Company X and Z, their rules take precedent. Company A understands this and is okay with it. I will not be fired.
I am not being condescending, and genuinely hope this helps it click for you.