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For decades, we have been in the streets in defense of the Palestinian people, and will continue to fight until the total liberation of Palestine!

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Right, but you're making my point for me. You can't build up a socialist project by running a third party presidential campaign. You need a grassroots movement, with local politicians, ideological outreach, volunteer organizations, and voter evangelism.

It's like we've built a house, and we're painting the ceilings, and someone asks you which paint you like, and you say that you don't like the location of the house. You might be right, but that's not the decision we're faced with right now. Your choices are matte ceiling white and human feces. "Relocate the house, because this is a bad spot for a house," you say. Well, that's not going to happen, so white or shit? "Move the house. Everybody, let's all vote to move the house." No. You can have an opinion on the ceiling color, or you can fuck off, but there is a clear choice to be made. If you fuck off, your ceiling may be painted with human shit, and if you don't think that matters enough to have an opinion, I don't know what to tell you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It is more like they're building more concentration camps and we are voting whether there should be a "in this house" lawnsign out front of each one.

At some point you have to realize that voting within capitalist psuedo-democracy will not get you the results you want, if you care about stopping the construction of the concentration camps.

At some point, you have to realize that the working class is only going to save itself from encroaching fascism by banding together, and not by voting between candidates that will never be allowed to represent our interests.

I'm sympathetic to the idea that Kamala Harris will be better in some ways than Trump, but I dont care enough to really bother examining all sides of the argument, because fascism is a structural issue that will not be resolved through sham elections where people only get options approved by the Capitalist class.

The capitalist class will lead us to fascism if they are not stopped. That is the long and short of it.

If you care about stopping fascism- if you're willing to put blood sweat and tears into preventing it from happening in the US- you have to join a socialist org and work towards defeating capitalism. Our oppressors will not grant us freedom through their ballot box.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's not an either-or situation. Vote for Kamala and organize for socialism. Voting is super easy, it just takes a little time once every four years.

I fully believe a socialist revolution will only be made exponentially more difficult under Republican leadership, it wouldn't make anything better, and it would hurt many people I love.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm not in a swing state and I already vote every year. Stop trying to convince me and go attend a dsa meeting or something