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Voting for Stein in a FPTP voting system doesn't solve the problem that's been turned into a one issue campaign slogan. Even if she was the perfect candidate. The only realistic option is to try and change the stance of one of the two that can win the election, and out of those two choices, suddenly who to vote for is obvious. If it wasn't already.
Which is nearly impossible, ergo it isn't a solution. Revolution is necessary.
Voting for Jill Stein somehow constitutes a revolution?
Nope, but it delegitimizes the Electoral system, abandoning Electoralism is important for revolution, as well as firmly standing against genocide.
It also makes sure women lose rights to thier bodies, immigrants get deported, homeless go to jail, gay rights get taken away, schools get refunded, LGBT+ rights get taken away, there's more tax cuts for the rich, Christian ideology runs rampant, our allies distrust us again, ....
But keep going on how genocide is the only problem
Already happening under the Democrats. The DNC isn't protecting anyone at the Federal level. It's usually lower level candidates that are doing more for marginalized groups because they are closer to their constituents.
Here a little refresher of some things he's done JUST from the past year
Growth shatters expectations: GDP expands 3.1% - a year beginning with heavy odds of a recession
Job creation 40 times rate of last 3 republican presidents - More than double Clinton and Obama
Black unemployment rate lower under Biden than any other administration (4.7%) - Compared to black unemployment under Trump was 2nd worst number in history, reaching over 16%
$1 Billion to replace the Blatnik Bridge connecting WI - MN
$600 million to replace the I-5 Bridge between Vancouver, Washington, and Portland, Oregon, with an earthquake-resistant, multimodal bridge.
$427 million to establish the first offshore wind terminal on the West Coast, off California.
$372 million to replace Cape Cod's nearly 90-year-old Sagamore Bridge.
$300 million for a new container terminal for the Port of New Orleans.
$95 million to widen a 10-mile section of I-10 through the Gila River in Arizona.
$142 million to fix the I-376 corridor in Pittsburgh, including an area infamously known as "the bathtub" due to its regular flooding.
$150 million to reconnect communities divided by the Cross Bronx Expressway in New York built in the mid-1900s.
Modernizes American port infrastructure
$3B investment for high speed internet for rural communities
$623 million to build EV charging network
Awards nearly $163 billion in federal contracts to small businesses
$426 million for Northern California offshore wind farm
Post-pandemics recovery is by far the most successful in the world
US oil production hits all-time high
Rescinds Trump-era "Denial of Care" rule that allowed health care workers to deny medical care to patients because of their personal religious or moral belief
Launches $11 billion on semiconductor-related research and development including $5 billion National Semiconductor Technology Center
US Trade Deficit With China Narrows to Lowest Since 2010
$250 million to modernize airports in 37 states
$4.4 million to upgrade Maine's power grid
Violent crime drop significantly since 2020
$5.8 billion to clean up nation’s drinking water and upgrade infrastructure
Round 15 of student loan forgiveness: $1.2 billion of federal student loans
Orders cybersecurity regulations for port operators similar to standardized safety regulations preventing injury and damage to people and infrastructure
$500 million to combat wildfire and improve resilience
$1 billion deal with Oregon, Washington, and 4 Columbia River tribes to revive Northwest salmon population
$1.7 billion package to fund initiatives aimed at ending hunger across the United States by 2030
$1 billion toward cleaning up 110 contaminated sites
$28 billion towards substance abuse treatment
$366 million to accelerate clean energy deployment in rural and remote areas
Implemented new rule that cuts credit card late fees $32 to $8
Allows student loan borrowers to repay based on income providing affordable payments and eventual student loan forgiveness
Directs DOJ to issue regulations giving clear protections of sensitive data from access by countries of concern
Bans asbestos
Funds program to fund coast-to-coast bicycle path without hitting a road
Commits $6B to cut emissions from high-carbon industries
Lends $1.5B to restart Michigan nuclear power plant
Allocates $750 million for hydrogen research and development
Restores threatened species protections dropped by Trump
Blocks mining on more than 221,000 acres of federal land in Colorado
First National standard ever for reducing harmful chemicals in drinking water
"Last resort" program keeps tens of thousands of American veterans who were in danger of losing their homes
America's economy growing at double the rate of all other G7 countries
Adds Title IX protections for LGBT students, forbidding discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity
Shields millions of acres of Alaskan wilderness from drilling and mining
$7 billion in federal grants for residential solar projects serving 900,000-plus households
Extends rule requiring overtime pay to workers making under $58,000 annually
Requires airlines to give cash refunds for canceled and significantly delayed flights
Establishes standards to eliminate emissions from new federal buildings by 2030
Lays out conditions for national goal to cut emissions from freight shipping down to zero
Bans most noncompete employment agreements preventing workers from joining competing businesses or launching ones of their own
Reinstates net neutrality
Prohibits federally funded health providers & insurers from discriminating on basis of sexual orientation and gender identity
Canadian Solar, one of the largest solar manufacturing companies in the world coming back to the US, thanks to the Inflation Reduction Act
Round 16 of student debt forgiveness: Clears $6 billion in debt for closed art school’s students
In 2021 only three states supplied 12 months of post partum care - Three years later 46 states now do
Online platforms and social media companies required to report child sex trafficking and online enticement to NCMEC’s tip line
Bans Russian uranium imports
$16 billion investments in Historically Black Colleges and Universities
Round 17 of student debt forgiveness: $7.7 billion for over 160,000 borrowers
Free online tax filing program piloted this year made permanent and scope will be expanded
Executive action ordering the closure of border cutting asylum claims in half (according to FOX News)
Prohibits medical debt from being reported on credit reports
Pardons US Service Members convicted because they were gay
Enacts plan to end Parkinson’s disease
Codifies same-sex and interracial marriage
Bolsters nation’s nuclear power by speeding timeline for licensing new nuclear reactors and cut fees that companies have to pay to do so
Again, that's just the past year. Want me to find more for you? Or maybe you can do more research
This didn't answer my question, it's just a copy-pasted list. None of it is sourced either, it's the gish-gallop tactic.
You do know computers have the ability to copy and paste? Hell you don't even have to do that. You can just highlight a sentence, right click, and then left click the option that says Google this, it also works kinda the same way with phones too.
Or do you need someone to wipe your ass for you too?
Now you're being rude for getting called out for gish-galloping, rather than actually answering the question at hand. I could have been rude too, but chose not to.
You said democrats do nothing to help the people. I gave you a list of ways that have helped people. If I'm gish washing your being willfully ignorant to everything that's happening outside of Gaza.
Look dude, honestly since I've seen you around so much fighting for your side, there is nothing I can say that will sway you. There is also nothing you can say that will sway me. Let's just call it's quits here then, cause this is pointless
You gish-galloped. I wanted a concrete example and you sent a tidal wave of unverified claims, we can't use that for discussion.
That's fine, you're not going to be able to convince me to take an anti-Marxist position.
https://www.samhsa.gov/newsroom/press-announcements/20240202/biden-harris-administration-announces-28-million-funding-opportunities-grants-expanding-treatment-services-substance-use-disorder
Another
28 million? That's pennies, this is just virtue signalling. The US has the power and resources to entirely solve substance abuse, but won't.
You do know he doesn't get to just do everything he wants right? He was blocked by Republicans every step of the way
You're really showing your ignorance here
It's Kabuki Theatre, lol. Biden serves the interests of the DNC's donors, not the public.
Here you go. Scrolled to a random spot and googled it the same I told you to.
https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/biden-harris-administration-finalizes-first-ever-national-drinking-water-standard#:~:text=WASHINGTON%20%2D%20Today%2C%20April%2010%2C,also%20known%20as%20%27forever%20chemicals.
Biden takes a stand on forever chemicals in water
Cool. Woefully insufficient, not terrible. This is drops in the bucket of required protections, akin to a band-aid on a gaping wound.
Yes, cause your 3rd party candidate is gunna do so much better haha
I have repeatedly advocated for Revolution, do you think I believe the problems with the US can be solved at the ballot box?
However, if Claudia De La Crúz did manage to get elected, she would do better, yes.
Ohhhh. So, you don't actually keep up with politics. You either just want to rant about stuff you don't know or are a plant. Good to know know
I do keep up, mind offering an example? Harris is campaigning to the right of Trump in 2016 when it comes to immigration, as an example. I'm not a plant, nor am I ignorant, I'm just a Leftist.
Growth shatters expectations: GDP expands 3.1% - a year beginning with heavy odds of a recession
Job creation 40 times rate of last 3 republican presidents - More than double Clinton and Obama
Black unemployment rate lower under Biden than any other administration (4.7%) - Compared to black unemployment under Trump was 2nd worst number in history, reaching over 16%
$1 Billion to replace the Blatnik Bridge connecting WI - MN
$600 million to replace the I-5 Bridge between Vancouver, Washington, and Portland, Oregon, with an earthquake-resistant, multimodal bridge.
$427 million to establish the first offshore wind terminal on the West Coast, off California.
$372 million to replace Cape Cod's nearly 90-year-old Sagamore Bridge.
$300 million for a new container terminal for the Port of New Orleans.
$95 million to widen a 10-mile section of I-10 through the Gila River in Arizona.
$142 million to fix the I-376 corridor in Pittsburgh, including an area infamously known as "the bathtub" due to its regular flooding.
$150 million to reconnect communities divided by the Cross Bronx Expressway in New York built in the mid-1900s.
Modernizes American port infrastructure
$3B investment for high speed internet for rural communities
$623 million to build EV charging network
Awards nearly $163 billion in federal contracts to small businesses
$426 million for Northern California offshore wind farm
Post-pandemics recovery is by far the most successful in the world
US oil production hits all-time high
Rescinds Trump-era "Denial of Care" rule that allowed health care workers to deny medical care to patients because of their personal religious or moral belief
Launches $11 billion on semiconductor-related research and development including $5 billion National Semiconductor Technology Center
US Trade Deficit With China Narrows to Lowest Since 2010
$250 million to modernize airports in 37 states
$4.4 million to upgrade Maine's power grid
Violent crime drop significantly since 2020
$5.8 billion to clean up nation’s drinking water and upgrade infrastructure
Round 15 of student loan forgiveness: $1.2 billion of federal student loans
Orders cybersecurity regulations for port operators similar to standardized safety regulations preventing injury and damage to people and infrastructure
$500 million to combat wildfire and improve resilience
$1 billion deal with Oregon, Washington, and 4 Columbia River tribes to revive Northwest salmon population
$1.7 billion package to fund initiatives aimed at ending hunger across the United States by 2030
$1 billion toward cleaning up 110 contaminated sites
$28 billion towards substance abuse treatment
$366 million to accelerate clean energy deployment in rural and remote areas
Implemented new rule that cuts credit card late fees $32 to $8
Allows student loan borrowers to repay based on income providing affordable payments and eventual student loan forgiveness
Directs DOJ to issue regulations giving clear protections of sensitive data from access by countries of concern
Bans asbestos
Funds program to fund coast-to-coast bicycle path without hitting a road
Commits $6B to cut emissions from high-carbon industries
Lends $1.5B to restart Michigan nuclear power plant
Allocates $750 million for hydrogen research and development
Restores threatened species protections dropped by Trump
Blocks mining on more than 221,000 acres of federal land in Colorado
First National standard ever for reducing harmful chemicals in drinking water
"Last resort" program keeps tens of thousands of American veterans who were in danger of losing their homes
America's economy growing at double the rate of all other G7 countries
Adds Title IX protections for LGBT students, forbidding discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity
Shields millions of acres of Alaskan wilderness from drilling and mining
$7 billion in federal grants for residential solar projects serving 900,000-plus households
Extends rule requiring overtime pay to workers making under $58,000 annually
Requires airlines to give cash refunds for canceled and significantly delayed flights
Establishes standards to eliminate emissions from new federal buildings by 2030
Lays out conditions for national goal to cut emissions from freight shipping down to zero
Bans most noncompete employment agreements preventing workers from joining competing businesses or launching ones of their own
Reinstates net neutrality
Prohibits federally funded health providers & insurers from discriminating on basis of sexual orientation and gender identity
Canadian Solar, one of the largest solar manufacturing companies in the world coming back to the US, thanks to the Inflation Reduction Act
Round 16 of student debt forgiveness: Clears $6 billion in debt for closed art school’s students
In 2021 only three states supplied 12 months of post partum care - Three years later 46 states now do
Online platforms and social media companies required to report child sex trafficking and online enticement to NCMEC’s tip line
Bans Russian uranium imports
$16 billion investments in Historically Black Colleges and Universities
Round 17 of student debt forgiveness: $7.7 billion for over 160,000 borrowers
Free online tax filing program piloted this year made permanent and scope will be expanded
Executive action ordering the closure of border cutting asylum claims in half (according to FOX News)
Prohibits medical debt from being reported on credit reports
Pardons US Service Members convicted because they were gay
Enacts plan to end Parkinson’s disease
Codifies same-sex and interracial marriage
Bolsters nation’s nuclear power by speeding timeline for licensing new nuclear reactors and cut fees that companies have to pay to do so
Again, that's just the past year. Want me to find more for you? Or maybe you can do more research
None of that answered my question, lmao. You just copy-pasted a pre-existing list.
You asked for an example on how he's helped the people, I gave you many examples.
The fact that your mad since you moved the goal post doesn't concern me pal haha
I asked for a concrete example, you gish-galloped a huge list of unsourced and incomplete points. It's useless, there's nothing to discuss.
Maybe it does, but not in a "we're going to fix this" kind of way, but in a "we're going to hand the keys to the castle over to the self-proclaimed dictator who may try to abolish elections entirely" kind of way.
If that's what you want, just vote for Trump, don't play around with this third party BS.
If Trump actually tries to do away with elections, you still wouldn't lift a finger to stop him, just accept it and go on with your day. Genocide wasn't enough to get you to abandon the DNC and GOP, so neither will Trump.
Nah, if he does away with elections I'll mail him a postcard that says "I vote for Jill Stein" - that'll leave him quivering in his boots and solve everything.
That would be more than you've done so far, I'll give you that.
How would you propose to do that while also offering said party an unconditional vote? I'm not American, but if you have an answer it would be useful here too. Parliamentary systems end up pretty much the same.
Protesting, public pressure in other ways, pressure through other representatives in Congress. Also the same to try and get the voting system changed so minority parties can have more effect, bending the major ones to have to talk about issues that for now are easy to avoid (the both sides, even if that's not entirely true). Another factor is lobbying, that needs to be restricted so large entities like corporations can't basically buy loyalty.
I would point out that any vote, even for Stein, is unconditional, so there's no way to avoid that. To make politicians keep their policy the public has to be engaged past the election.
Even if all of that is debatable, my main point is that a vote for Stein won't get any change. One of the two choices that can win the election has some chance, even if small. Whether that be from citizen pressure or them getting the power of office and doing things themselves.
Is Harris going to implement RCV? If not your argument is a red herring.
You know who is implementing RCV? Jill Stein.
No she's not - she's a physician, not a legislator. She's not implementing anything except (hopefully) health care for her patients. She's promising to make RCV a political priority, but even if elected, the president doesn't write the laws.
And that even if is doing some heavy lifting, because it's impossible for her to get enough votes (50.01%, because a plurality goes to the legislators to decide) to win.
What she can do, is syphon enough votes from from Harris to hand the country back to Trump (who I promise you will not solve the problem of genocide in Palestine), which is why the RNC and hostile foreign powers love to prop her up
I'm sorry you forgot to mention the part where Harris will do that. Can you link it to me? Or is everything pretending to debunk voting for Stein red herrings?
I think that's a Congressional thing, not a President one. But I'm sure she's promising it. Correct me if it's something that a President can declare as an executive order, but that wasn't my impression.
Btw, I think the way to get RCV federally is to make it statewide, and that's started already, plus there's a bill in Congress for the second time.
She's not, you have been gaslighted. Harris released her platform already there's no RCV in there.
I didn't clarify. I was talking about Jill Stein. She has a lot of promises on her website.
Ah yes Jill Stein has indeed.
In case it was not clear yet, the surpreme court has confirmed that president can do whatever they want as long as it's an "official order".
They can have the all of the Supreme Court judges be assassinated and appoint whomever they want to the position. They can add surpreme court positions.
The. President. Can. Do. Whatever. They. Want.
Just ask Genocide Joe what happened when the Republicans blocked him from sending weapons to israel to force him to accept a border wall deal. Genocide Joe and Holocaust Harris found a way to keep sending israel those weapons and keep committing Genocide.
The only realistic option (IMO) is to push for state level electoral reform in your respective state. I admit it's probably to late to get such changes through before the current election without a general strike.
What are your plans to influence the democratic party?
Vote first of course. Repeatedly remind my various reps that RCV is important for the future and to support current bills or get new ones started. Election reform during off years is probably more important since that's when no one is thinking about it and yet it's when changing it will affect the next term.
Wish me luck, my state is NC. Just getting enough democrat reps is difficult enough.