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Women's lib has been great for women but not so good for men. So men are becoming reactionary.
Bullshit. Most men suffer under toxic patriarchy as well. I absolutely love that this shit is finally getting pulled into the spotlight. I have not suffered a single iota of harm from anything "woke" and I would argue that no honest man has either.
Dishonest men still get to vote though
How do men suffer under patriarchy? Do u really want to be the one blaming 75% of suicides on men not being allowed to beat their wives? Sounds like ur calling all cis men evil bad people. I wonder what such a narrative would do to a young man trying to develop a sence of self, identity, and personal ideology?
This is so back asswards it is genuinely astounding.
Men are 75% of suicides under patriarchy.
Damn I wonder how someone could conclude that patriarchy hurts the majority of men.
Yep. Toxic masculinity wants us to work ourselves to death without complaining to anyone. So our mental health is in the fucking toilet. If you're not working enough, you're not providing and you're not a real man. If you do work enough but show any emotion that's not a "manly" emotion (anything involving tears outside of a funeral or during Old Yeller or anything that's too excited) then you're not a real man.
I could write a whole dissertation on how young men get sucked into that whole toxic ideology due to the promises of being able to have a family and a house. And it's all a fucking lie.
My man... Your owner wants this and we LARPed that kool aid.
Got take some ownership IMHO
Also, got to ID the perp... Otherwise this entire discussion is a futile exercise.
Male suicide is getting worse every year the patriarchy is getting destroyed more every year, im simply pointing out the correlation is backward sof what u claim.
The data correlates exactly the wrong way for this to be true.
Correlation does not equal causation.
I would point to the economic disparity that is widening in virtually every advanced economy as a much more relevant driver of male suicide.
Exactly but causation does not come without correlation. Causation is a subset of correlation.
Economic disparity should be effecting the genders equally unless you are saying women are doing better financially.
Maybe do some research about statistical concepts before spouting what sounds good to you. Causation can absolutely 'come' without correlation.
You are a great example of someone not understanding that things are complex so you reach for tabloid explanations because they are comfortable and simple.
Name a counter example
I refuse to engage in bad faith argument and school yard insults.
Statistics isn't defined by examples. Educate yourself, this is a very well known and understood concept. Staying in ignorance is your choice.
Instead of baseless bad faith arguments you could have provided a single counter example. You chose to insult me and call me ignorant instead of proving me wrong. Prove me wrong prove your intellectual superiority yoy claim to have.
I don't need to prove you wrong with examples, you are wrong, it's very well documented and widely understood. If you choose to not believe it and can't be bothered to research it yourself then you have chosen to stay ignorant, and wrong, which is your right.
Its ok to admit that your wrong im not gonna judge you. I just want you to think about it for a second if something is causational we can say a causes b. If this is the case then most cases of a will result in b, thus a correlates with b.
We can apply a proof by contradiction say we have a causes b but a does not correlate with b. Then in this case we are saying if there is a it causes b it is thus a contradiction to say that a and b do not correlate as that would require that we have a without b but if a causes b this is impossible.
I gave you ample oppertunity to do some research and realise that you have a surface level understanding or logic, mathematics, and statistics without me needing to prove your complete lack of understanding.
Please educate yourself before you speak and if u must speak without doing so be willing when proven wrong to admit it without insulting people like a child having a tantrum.
Queer and gender nonconforming men get an immense amount of abuse due to patriarchy. Even gender conforming straight boys and men do if they show sensitivity in any real capacity. The abuse of boys and young men for the sake of making them “man up” is hardly an unusual in many areas.
What? This has nothing to do with the comment you replied to.
No, this is a ridiculous conclusion you drew from someone saying patriarchy hurts everyone.
What the fuck?
Just because one side gets more rights, doesn't mean the other side loses rights.
I guess if the rights you miss is the ability to beat your wife without repercussions.