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Ukraine could potentially join NATO even if parts of its territory remained occupied by Russia, the alliance's former Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said in an interview on Oct. 4.

One of the main arguments against granting Ukraine membership at the current time is that NATO's Article 5 mutual defense clause would immediately draw the alliance into a direct war with Russia.

But speaking to the Financial Times, Stoltenberg suggested there could be ways to get around this if the Ukrainian territory considered part of NATO was "not necessarily the internationally recognized border."

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Would Ukraine becoming a NATO member grant all other members having to attack Russia? Not necessarily a bad thing, but would mean WW3.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It scares me that anyone could come to this conclusion. Are you so clueless about the unimaginable, unprecedented suffering and death that such a conflict would bring, or does your emotional attachment prevent any rational assessment? There is no reality where WW3 and "not necessarily a bad thing" belong in the same sentence.

It's a good thing to punish territorial aggression, but there can be no doubt that WW3 is the worst outcome for everyone.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're right, we should just give bullies whatever they want because they have nuclear weapons.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

You know very well that's not what I said. But please educate me why nuclear armageddon is good, actually.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I didn't say I want WW3. Just that putting back russia where it belongs would be nice. But not for the price of bigger scale war.