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Socialism is not even radical (lemmy.ml)

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Meanwhile you “peacefully” increase the probability that the guy who destroyed women's reproductive rights gets voted in again.

I say you should help punish the Republicans for MAGA and once they try a moderate candidate again you can vote third party. But don't ignore the consequences of your actions.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Meanwhile you “peacefully” increase the probability that the guy who destroyed women's reproductive rights gets voted in again.

Meanwhile you "peacefully" increase the probability that genocide continues, climate change continues to be ignored, and World War 3 kills us all.

I say you should help punish the Republicans for MAGA and once they try a moderate candidate again you can vote third party. But don't ignore the consequences of your actions.

What do you think fascism is? Why do you think MAGA is just a random event and not a systemic problem? Fascism is Capitalism in decline, there will be no "moderate" candidates because Capitalism is still in decline. The conditions for fascism persist, so fascism persists, and the Dems get closer to fascism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm not doing anything like that, the will never be public support for a socialist candidate in the US without first changing the voting system.

I wish it wasn't like that but I'm convinced it is.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why do you believe there will never be public support for a Socialist candidate in the US? Where do you believe people draw their ideas from? Is the US a static, unchanging system? We know this to be false, wealth disparity is rising, the climate is changing, it's anything but static!
The mainstream parties will never risk losing power intentionally, ergo there will be no change to the voting system.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because that's how the spoiler effect works.The more support a leftist third party gets, the easier it is for the Republicans to win.

I can't tell you how to fix it, but I can tell you that an election with 10% Socialists, 40% Dems, and 50% Reps will scare people away from voting Socialists.

At least as long as MAGA is a thing and the Dems aren't seen as totally corrupt and basically the same as the Reps by the general public. And believe me: they aren't.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

You didn't answer my questions. Why do you believe the US is a closed, unchanging, static system? In order for any of your analysis to make any sense, it must be immovable with no trends in metrics, in perpetuity.

Because that's how the spoiler effect works.The more support a leftist third party gets, the easier it is for the Republicans to win.

Not necessarily. Ideas change alongside the ever-changing material conditions.

I can't tell you how to fix it

Evidently.

but I can tell you that an election with 10% Socialists, 40% Dems, and 50% Reps will scare people away from voting Socialists.

Why? Trends change over time.

At least as long as MAGA is a thing

It will be for as long as Capitalism exists, getting worse. Capitalism is declining, and fascism rises when Capitalism is in decay. Only Socialism will fix it, liberalism leads to more fascism. You can't prevent MAGA by voting Dem, you strengthen it.

and the Dems aren't seen as totally corrupt and basically the same as the Reps by the general public

This is increasingly proven to be true, public opinion of both parties is declining.