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[-] [email protected] 123 points 1 day ago

Meanwhile, a few chapters later in the same book:

44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

TBH I can't blame Christians for being confused about what love looks like if this is what they believe God says.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

The Mosaic laws are really quite interesting. These verses can work in tandem with those in Leviticus 19. There later is the understanding of why we were given the Mosaic laws, just for Jesus to disagree with them a bit later, which is explained in Matthew 19:3-8. "

3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”

8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning."

Many of the things discussed in the Pentateuch (first 5 books of the Bible, where the Mosaic laws lie), are just about how to live their day to day lives, and at the time they had many slaves, something that they wouldn't be willing to change. Instead of this, God commands how to treat these slaves. The Old Testament is full of confusing stuff, but it certainly isn't just from "the Jew section of the Bible" as suggested in another comment. It has value, but they must be understood through a specific lens, understanding the lives of the people God is talking to.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 23 hours ago

Thanks for the comment. If I may quibble:

and at the time they had many slaves[...]

If memory serves, the Mosaic laws are said to be delivered to the Jews 90 days into their wandering in the desert after crossing the Red Sea. Which means that the people who received these rules about slavery were all recently freed former slaves. Unless they immediately started re-enslaving each other while wandering the desert with manna raining from heaven and water springing up from the rocks, I would think that none of them owned slaves.

[...]something that they wouldn't be willing to change. Instead of this, God commands how to treat these slaves.

That line of reasoning has never sat right with me.

God doesn't want people to kill. He knows people will do it anyway. He doesn't say "Make it quick and painless when you kill someone." He says "Thou shalt not kill."

God doesn't want people to steal. He knows people will do it anyway. He doesn't say "Only steal from people who are well off and can afford to lose some possessions." He says "Thou shalt not steal."

I cannot imagine the guy who tells people to cut some skin off the end of their penis has any problem with making big asks of people.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 19 hours ago

There is no archeological evidence of Israelites residing in Egypt at the time of Moses nor of their enslavement there.

It is widely agreed that the tribes of Israel decended from Canaanites and other locals.

I wish modern christians would revise the bible. It's not like they haven't done it before.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Modern Christians did revise the Bible (Mormons) and made it more wacky.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago

There's no time of Moses. Moses is a mythical character (a lot of Christian like myself has no problems with the findings of archeology).

[-] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago

I can't speak with confidence on the existence of Moses or a figure that was the basis of the legend.

By the "time of Moses" I mean around 1300BCE.

It's hard to prove a man didn't exist. It's easy to state there is no evidence of Exodus as biblically described.

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