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NATO fighter jets were scrambled to intercept five Russian military aircraft flying over the Baltic Sea without flight plans or active transponders, the Latvian Air Force confirmed on Saturday.

The Russian planes were identified on two separate occasions, on Friday and Saturday, prompting a rapid response from NATO's Baltic Air Policing mission.

According to the Latvian Air Force, the Russian jets were detected flying in international airspace near the Baltic states, but had not activated their transponders, an electronic system that helps maintain safe air traffic control.

"Russian jets regularly enter the airspace above the Baltics with transponders switched off, likely to test the response of NATO states," The Kyiv Independent reported, citing past instances of similar activities by Russian aircraft.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I wonder what would happen if accidentally one of them got shot down.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Putin would be very angry and threaten to use nukes... so basically just another Tuesday.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

China's last warning, you say

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

For those who don’t get the joke. During the Cold War, China had a habit of issuing “final warnings” which didn’t have any teeth. Since the propaganda was regularly aired over the radio in Russia, Russians began joking about “oh this is china’s third final warning this week, I bet people are scared now” type of stuff.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)

There’s generally a procedure for that:

  1. Common frequency warning (ie. Guard frequency, 122.75)
  2. Close flyby to make the airplane change direction
  3. Shoot

If you skip the first two steps, you messed up and should be disciplined.

Ideally, the country that made the mistake should reach out to the other country to prevent escalation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sure you're correct, but isn't it, or shouldn't it, also be:

Do not try to fly in the airspace you are not supposed to fly in?

I mean the Russians and before them the Soviets have done that deliberately since forever.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If the planes had entered sovereign airspace, sure. They synopsis says the Russians were flying in international airspace, which usually means it's not under the sovereign control of any nation and the Latvians would have had no basis to fire on the Russians.

Personally, I'd love to see the Russians try to stunt their way into someone's airspace and get dick slapped for it, but I doubt that would happen.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

122.75 is assigned for air-to-air communications.

In some ways that's good: you don't want someone shouting about "YOU'RE ON GUARD". On the other hand, in this situation you want to choose a frequency that your target is actually monitoring, and guard may fit that bill better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Sorry I meant those as two separate frequencies

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

“Mistake”

You think 5 Russian jets mistakenly flew into US airspace? They do this shit all the time to many countries, there is zero mistake.

Shoot the fuckers down and see how often they keep playing this dumbarse game.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They flew over international waters in the Baltic sea. almost as far away from the US as you can get. No need to get a war boner going.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Hey, someone has to try for the civilization conquest win.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

I was thinking about that incident a lot lately.

Putin is ultimately an alley bully. He's weak and only pretends to be powerful, hoping no one calls his bluff.

Turkey called his bluff. Putin was super aggressive, but Turkey just said, well, terrible tragedy, let's hope that never happens again, right Vlad?

Well and it never happened again. Turkey is a NATO member. A NATO country shot down a Russian jet and nothing happened.

Cowards like Putin can't be convinced or tamed, they only respond to strength. And currently, NATO doesn't exactly seem strong.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

That's a different scenario. That was over Syrian/Turkish airspace and Russia likely knew they don't have a leg to stand on there considering the close vicinity of the border and conflicting reports over the bomber's flight path. Not to mention that Turkey is a lot closer to Russia than the average NATO state.

I don't think it could escalate to a full war, but shooting down aircraft in intl. airspace is much more serious than a bomber that has strayed into your national airspace.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah shooting down an aircraft over international waters would probably be a major incident actually.