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What are you trying to say here? That the majority of workers are also the owners?
Oh, you're talking about ideology? Why? Who cares what the workers individually believe, we are talking about the fact that they are workers.
I was referring to the other definition of capitalist, as in a capitalist country. In that case, capitalist is an adjective, and has a different definition.
Also, most Apple employees are shareholders. They offer excellent stock options for employees.
Sure. We don't care about that, though. That's secondary. What we are discussing is that, mechanically, within Capitalism, it is the workers alone that design, mine, ship, build, and sell the phones, not the owners.
Petty stock ownership does not a Capitalist make.
Before we go any further, how familiar are you with Marxist theory? We aren't really talking about the same thing here, so establishing a baseline would help.
You’re incorrect. The meme references capitalism, not capitalists. I miswrote my initial statement by using capitalist instead of capitalism. Americans support capitalism by working and paying taxes, even if they’re not capitalists. What the US makes is produced through capitalism unless you’re native or communal.
Nope, I am correct here.
The meme is made by a Communist, we are specifically talking about how Capitalists are unnecessary because even in Capitalism, the workers do all of the labor.
No, you're not talking about the same thing here. Workers did all of the labor in creating your phone, it wasn't the Capitalists. We aren't saying Communism produced the phone, but workers.
Again, how familiar are you with Marxism?