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[-] [email protected] 55 points 23 hours ago

The scariest part is that real world is, in fact, a hardcore free-for-all PvP realm.

I'm not talking competition or something. A random person can absolutely come to you at any time, stab or shoot you and you'll be dead. Forever. No respawns.

It's only because people don't really like being murdered that led them to make and enforce rules on what violence is legitimate that curbed the violence. But even still, anytime, anywhere, by anyone, you can absolutely be killed. And if one day something breaks in the chain that makes police work, we're super screwed.

[-] [email protected] 53 points 20 hours ago

It's not the police that keep us from killing each other, or even laws that do so. Check out law and authority sometime if you're able. It's very short and worth a read. We don't kill each other because we don't enjoy being killed or killing. We're social creatures, and don't want to be shunned. Crimes of passion don't really change based on laws, but the way we organize society may actually be increasing the number of murders, because some people are desperate enough to kill for food or shelter

[-] [email protected] 8 points 11 hours ago

I read half of it. It seems to overidealize the pre-law era to a large degree. Before law we had mass slavery, constant raiding of nearby tribes and nothing to prevent anybody from taking everything from a person. There is definitely a case where laws can become draconian and force people to break them but I'd argue that in most countries law prevent more unwanted behavior than cause it.

This especially doesn't apply in modern times since you just need one person to create a private mercenary group to essentially create a mini kingdom within a loosely organised society. That person will very quickly be able to form a successful dictatorship by raiding, enslaving and demanding tribute from nearby settlements.

Even a laissez faire government with everything legal except violence will essentially make it legal to dump toxic waste on your front lawn everywhere without policing and laws. Toxic waste is currently being dumped with laws just under woefully loose law and I'd argue that we need more laws and regulation to prevent people from doing so.

I feel like anarchist theory quickly forgets that we had anarchy before law and people quickly formed kingdoms around settlements to defend themselves and aggressive kingdoms where more successful than passive ones.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

Anarchism just won't work lol. People will band together, larger groups would survive and whoops! It's countries all over again

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Anarchism is a lot of work negotiating, setting standards and consequences, balancing forces. Constant politics without an overarching state. Any concentration of capability for violence or resource to be shared must be extremely carefully handled.

What you are describing is warlords filling a political vacuum caused by chaos.

Someone has been misrepresenting anarchism to you.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 53 minutes ago

I think the point he's making is that anarchism is one big power vacuum and those are usually filled with warlords and power brokers. Anarchism can still exist within a state such as Christiania in Denmark and from what I've heard it works pretty well.

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