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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He's wrong anyway, the green party isn't a threat to any of the parties, but it's designed to shape off 1-3% off the democratic vote to help republicans.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

You said it's not a threat and then gave a reason it is actually a threat.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

they are becoming popular enough to threat red and blue

Context clues

it's designed to

Doesn't mean it works

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are you under the bizarre idea that Al Gore is influencing Lemmy?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lol, no. Why would you even think that?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean if you're ignoring the context of the election and 2000, then maybe you can make that leap.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The 2000 election, when Lemmy didn’t exist? What on Earth are you talking about?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

That's what I'm asking. What are you talking about?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That was a different commenter....?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

No, that commenter literally said they're not a threat and then gave the exact reason the green party is a threat to democrats.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Are you saying that something helping the republicans isn't a threat to democrats? Or are you saying it's not enough to help because you've already forgotten the lesson from 2000?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No... I'm saying you're mistaking two different commenters as one

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No... Because I'm only referring to one post.

He's wrong anyway, the green party isn't a threat to any of the parties, but it's designed to shape off 1-3% off the democratic vote to help republicans.

I'll break it down for you. The first part of the post literally says this:

the green party isn't a threat to any of the parties

And then the very next part of the same sentence is:

but it's designed to shape off 1-3% off the democratic vote to help republicans

Which is exactly what I pointed out. It starts by saying the green party isn't a threat and then gives the exact reason why it is a threat.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why are you making stuff up?

the votes of Florida voters themselves show that Ralph Nader was not responsible for George W. Bush's presidency

What does Florida's fuckery have to do with independents?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't understand that conclusion. According to their table there, Gore lost by ~550 votes and Nader had over 90,000 votes. Do you really think those votes would have been evenly split?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I know reading is harder than looking at the picture, but give it a shot and you will have your answer. Of course, you won't. You will only cherry pick the things that you think will help your case. Problem is, no one believes you, and you aren't going to convince anyone otherwise

Edit: I did a bunch reading for you

Gore lost his home state of Tennessee and New Hampshire. If Gore had won just New Hampshire and lost Florida, we would be calling him Former President Al Gore.

As it turns out, only around 24,000 registered Democrats voted for Nader in Florida, compared with the 308,000 registered Democrats (or 13 percent of all Democrats in Florida) who voted for George W. Bush. It seems to me that the 308,000 Democrats who voted Republican in 2000 hurt the Democratic Party much more than the 24,000 Democrats that voted for Nader.

Gore lost because 200,000 Democrats voted against him in Florida, electoral chaos reigned, and he failed to win his home state of Tennessee.

Plus, the U.S. Supreme Court decision in favor of Republican George W. Bush has now been completely nullified in the eyes of history by none other than former Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor, who voted for Bush. Now she says, “It turned out the election authorities in Florida hadn’t done a real good job there and kind of messed it up.”

Imagine if O’Connor had thought that way in December 2000. Gore may have become president, and Nader would have had nothing to do with the results.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersreact/la-le-al-gore-ralph-nader-2000-20160527-snap-story.html

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I did read the link. And it still seems like a ton of mental gymnastics to ignore the vote totals.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I can give you the material but not the IQ

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Is it really that hard to conceptualize 90,000 > 550? Or that green party voters back then were much closer to democratic voters than republican? You have to ignore the most obvious fact in order to contrive others.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You have literally ignored every other point I have posted, keep screaming the same thing as if somehow the popular vote has ever won a presidency

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Screaming? I thought I was typing...

as if somehow the popular vote has ever won a presidency

Uhh, that's exactly how it works per state. The most popular vote in that state gets the electoral votes for that state.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Too bad ~~Nader~~ Florida didn't act in good faith.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

A threat is viable. They are not