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    [–] [email protected] 105 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    It's really more like Remote Desktop+. It has some additional "features" (slight retch) on top of traditional Remote Desktop features.

    Let's wait and see if it's actually more secure than traditional Remote Desktop.

    (and I'd still rather use Wine)

    [–] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Did they invent X11 Forwarding over the network?

    [–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Btw. when we get wayland forwarding over Network?

    [–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    waypipe exists, but it's still not perfect.

    [–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

    Never heard about this. Thx.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

    Neither was X11 so it's in good company

    [–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Btw. when we get wayland ~~forwarding over Network~~?

    [–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

    /c/foundthenvidiauser

    [–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Unlike X11, Wayland was never intended to be network transparent. As others say, solutions like waypipe and more tradionally RDP and VNC exist.

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Exactly. We won’t. We’ll get specialized video stream over network. I’m not happy about this regression. I understand that was a willing sacrifice to achieve better local performance, but I’m not sure it was worth it.

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Their reasoning was that X11 network transparency had been broken for quite some time. If you tried running chrome, most games, or anything with modern hardware acceleration over X11 forwarding, they wouldn't work.

    So, IMHO waypipe is actually an improvement in terms of compatibility, rather than a regression.

    [–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

    You always had the option to send frames over the net using VNC and such. But for many use cases, X over SSH was absolutely fantastic.

    I remember using it on a very basic DSL connection to work remotely back in 2005, and it was almost like running local. You don’t get anywhere near the same performance with VNC or RDP.

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    It’s more about security if I recall correctly

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    How so? Is there a way for malicious code to start injecting itself into calls to 127.0.0.1?

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

    Sorry, I am not an expert myself, but I think there are some recourses about that in the internet

    Or, this file on x.org:

    “But the X protocol is still unsecure by design…”

    https://www.x.org/wiki/Events/XDC2014/XDC2014DodierPeresSecurity/xorg-talk.pdf

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

    Yeah, to send it naked over the wire would be nuts, which is why everybody uses SSH. But unless there’s insecurity within the computer, that’s a moot point.

    [–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    X11 can render individual windows (Xclients) through the network on another Xserver since decades. With XPRA you can even buffer them, to move them from one Xserver to another or make sure they survive network disconnect. It's very cool, but not widely used.

    [–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Yes, the ssh -X flag forwards it.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

    I doubt it's nearly as secure as OpenSSH though.

    [–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

    it goes through an SSH tunnel

    [–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Bottles and boxes are basically the Windows app.

    [–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

    No, it's just remote. Remote desktop is now also called Windows, also the operating system you are connecting to is called Windows.

    Gnome has relatively good rdp support, so with this you could use Windows (the app) on Windows (the os) to connect to you Linux machine running Gnome.

    It seems deliberately confusing naming is working as expected, Microsoft marketing team should get extra raise.

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Microsoft strategy 101. My “favourite” is the database called “SQL Server”

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Doesn't everyone call it MS SQL anyway?

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

    No they call it Sequel Server