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What's that saying? "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"? I highly doubt the police were there with a plan to target photographers. It seems much more likely to me that a combination of a) poor training and b) heat of the moment stupid decision making is the reason why the officer fired in that manner.
Anyway, this is all just further evidence of why the escalation of protests from both sides is insanely stupid. Innocent people end up getting hurt when protestors decide to assault police and the police retaliate with disproportionate force:
And every time a protest turns violent like this, it just makes it more likely that disproportionate force will be used in the future.
The problem is the disproportionate force. The police should not be using those weapons. If an officer panicking goes this badly, we shouldn't be blaming that officer or the protest. The problem is that police were firing bullets into a protest, at all. That this was a plan they had on the table for this situation, and they're clearly happy with this plan.
I agree, rubber bullets seem unnecessary even for a protest as violent as this one. But to say we shouldn't place any blame on individuals over-simplifies the problem. There are multiple issues at play here, I don't think you can just wave away the personal responsibility of the individuals involved.
You're right, I didn't mean to say they're not at fault for shooting people. What I meant to say was that we shouldn't get tunnel-vision either and assume that officers just need better training or vetting to make sure they don't miss or don't shoot as early.
I don't know, I feel like there was some unnecessary derision there.
I like this place because we have discussions, sometimes weeks long, about the subjects, not the users.
Got it, saying protestors deserve to be targetted with indiscriminate chemical weapons = not being a dick. Pointing out that a particular user is calling for the sort of violence banned in the Geneva convention = being a dick.
Sorry, were we reading the same comment?
I dunno you tell me what the subtext of opening with defending the cops and denying that cops target media. Then goes into both-sidesism.
And then wow look at what happens later:
Oh look it's both sides are at fault again. If you're filming at a protest, or even attending you have some personal responsibility for getting collaterally shot in the face or teargassed.
This is nonsense, the violence is extremely asymmetrical and involves the use of indiscriminate weapons. I mean imagine if a protestor fired rubber bullets or teargas into a crowd to hit a shell or LM exec, what would anyone be saying about that person? He's not presenting some nuanced critique, he's gone straight into defending violence which would constitute literal war crimes if it wasn't the police doing it.