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8-year-old Utah boy dies after shooting himself in car while mother was inside store
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EDIT: Because the 2A brigade has shown up and god forbid anyone advocates for more safety features, let me clarify that the Glock uses a single action trigger which I erroneously called a hair trigger out of a desire to simplify. Goocks also have some safety mechanisms to prevent it from accidental discharge when drop or when casually handling it. They do not, in my opinion, go far enough. Anyone reading this does not have to take my or anyone else in this thread at their word. Do your research. I did not do my due diligence on Glocks and ended up with two pistols I dislike with a passion. Lesson learned. Also, I am not saying that mechanical safeties should replace proper gun safety and trigger discipline.
I own a number of pistols including Glock and Para-Ordnance. Para-Ordnance is now defunct but I believe their pistols included safety features that should be a requirement for all pistols sold to the general public.
First, let's talk about Glock. A Glock 17 is a 9mm pistol. It is extremely light and relatively cheap. It also has zero safety features. This pistol has a hair trigger and no safety. The moment you chamber a round, this weapon is hot and itching for an excuse to fire. I bought a pair and I hate them with a passion. They remain unloaded at all times except when I am at the range and literally getting ready to shoot. I might have them destroyed; I hate them that much.
My Para-ordnance pistols (Tac-Four LDA is my favorite) on the other hand have a number of safety features that help prevent an accidental discharge.
The Para-Ordnance pistols featured all three safety mechanisms I listed above. The Glock have zero safety mechanisms. None. Zilch. Nada. Para-Ordnance went out of business and Glock are one of the most, if not the most, popular pistols sold in the US. Nobody wants to pay for the extra safety features. I think they should be mandatory.
If Kia can face a federal inquiry for not installing a “theft prevention device” than it’s amazing that gun manufactures aren’t raked over the coals for lack of safety devices and controls.
I mean I’m not surprised, gun rights matter more than kids right to life I suppose.
Unless the kid is still in the womb.
Not sure how much I buy this as anyone who can describe a stock Glock trigger as a “hair trigger” doesn’t understand what that term actually means nor do they have a basic understanding of gun safety.
Before ANY sort of mechanical safety is even considered - why the FUCK did this child have access to any firearm. A safety on a firearm was never designed to stop a user who is willfully trying to use the weapon nor is it a child safety device. To imply that’s how it should be used is irresponsible and I highly recommend editing your post to reflect this.
Do you also think we should ban garbage disposals because there isn’t a safety to stop my child from sticking their hand in it? What about a safety lock for the disposal switch? Will that save the child’s arm?
Having mechanical safeties are meant as an add-on to gun safety, not a replacement.
Yeah, I stopped reading as soon as they said hair trigger with a Glock. Even after you rack the slide you still have a full trigger pull and it certainly isn't hair while still having a trigger safety lever.
I stopped reading when they said Glocks are dangerous because of their rigorously tested and proven safety features that guarantee the weapon will not fire unless the trigger is pulled.
What a load of liberal crockery man, y’all need to visit the rough parts of town more.
Guns should fire if the trigger is pulled and a bullet is in the chamber. Full stop.
Don’t want to shoot? Don’t pull the trigger. Follow the three rules plus have a good holster, Christ I can’t even imagine having three layers of safeties to go through before my own gun will let me shoot. Sounds like they went out of business for a reason.
I know there’s no left in the US remaining to push for gun rights but that was just an incredible post.
Did we even read the same article...? It doesn't seem to ever mention a glock, I don't know what business you're saying deserved to go out of business, and the whole article is about firearm storage, not the design of integrated firearm safties...
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How is "safety against drops or accidental trigger pulls" better than "safety against drops or accidental trigger pulls" + "manual safety" + "full grip safety".
Never said it was. I was just addressing these dumb sentences: "It also has zero safety features. This pistol has a hair trigger and no safety."
it does not have "zero safety features" and if you educated yourself you would know this. also why do you own one if you don't like it? that is a weird ass comment. either you bought a gun without informing yourself about it or you did inform yourself and bought it anyway. also you seem not to know what a hair trigger is. the fact that millions of private citizens, law enforcement and military seem not to have a problem with glocks points no the problem not being the guns.
Send me your "dangerous" Glock pistols instead of destroying them.
These pieces of shit don't deserve to exist. They're an accident waiting to happen all in the name of making a cheap gun. Get yourself a Sig if you want an inexpensive pistol with at least a manual safety.
I know you mean well, but really you have an unorthodox opinion that the vast majority of users, civilian, professional, even at the organizational level, disagree with.
If you're relying on a mechanical safety on the firearm itself to prevent tragedy, you're already screwed. Kids can bypass that stuff with enough fiddling. They just make the firearm more complicated to use, which can paradoxically create more mistakes in some instances, especially under pressure. Nothing replaces responsible handling.
I predominantly shoot Beretta 92 pistols. Traditional double action, comes with a manual safety/decocker from the factory. On the one I shoot the most, I purchased a kit from Beretta that disables the safety to make it only a decocker. It doesn't make the pistol less safe, it is a dangerous weapon either way. It just simplifies it.
I understand your point but I have never had a problem with the safety devices on my pistols. At this point the thumb safety disengage and engage is muscle memory every time I grip or holster my weapon.
Also, I do not mean that mechanical safety devices should replace gun safety procedures or proper discipline. An accessible weapon should never be left unattended with a child. If you own guns and have kids, you should train your kids in gun safety and trigger discipline ad-nauseum.
People do stupid shit no matter what. My uncle almost shot himself in the head with a .38 service revolver while cleaning it. How do you even do that?
Nobody should rely on mechanical safeties, but guns without them are a dangerous consumer product, like selling cars without seatbelts because some folks are cheapskates or think they’re uncool.
Any other industry would have been fixed this ages ago after lawsuits.
Mechanical safeties where introduced to prevent accidental discharge when dropped. Glocks, and other modern handguns have other features to prevent this without manual intervention.