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Microsoft donates the Mono Project to the Wine team
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FYI - the owner of this site, gamingonlinux, was a mod on the [email protected] community until they were caught abusing their moderator powers. Then they deleted their account and complained on mastodon that it's stupid design that mod logs are public.
That's one of the things I love in lemmy. Moderation transparency.
I’m boosting this and the screenshots too, but just thought I’d point out for quick scrollers that it does not seem as dramatic as this comment initially lets you believe.
I mean it’s awkward, but just seems more like your usual social awkwardness/incompetence than malicious behavior as such.
I agree that the main interaction was mild, but if they were willing to go this far to try to hide this, then that shows how low the bar is for them to try to manipulate things to their favor and liking with the trust that was given them as a moderator.
All moderators should be assumed to be abusers. Acab
Well yeah that's why the mod log is public. It's a feature not a bug
Exafuckingly, no moderators should be offended by what I said, it's a truism. Transparency is just the first step, there should not be "a" moderator, it is a collective duty that all must participate and that none of us can be trusted alone with.
I really dislike that guy. I was interested in his website but lost interest because of him. I already forgot why I started disliking him. But this just adds to that.
Do you have any sources for this?
Deleted comment:
I called them out for not following their own community rules:
and they deleted their account.
Thanks! Not quite as wild as I was expecting (kind of surprised this was enough to push them to delete their account)
What was wrong with them removing your comment? You were being annoying 🤷♂️
Their response seemed perfectly measured to someone being needlessly pedantic.
Edit: And also Shuts down? Did you miss the 'down'? Was the title edited after the fact? What does the rest of that modlog say? The screenshot is cropped.
My perspective is you were being annoying, got downvoted/called out, feigned shock, got your comments removed, and now you're on a bitter smear campaign.
This is the weakest accusation of mod abuse I've seen. Good grief.
Yes, their comment was extremely annoying, both in tone (whining) and content (TL;DR: "pls spoonfeed me basic reading comprehension"). If the mod simply removed the comment, or issued an official warning, it would be 100% warranted.
However, what the non-mod user is saying ITT about moderator abuse is still spot on. The mod in question answered to the whining in tone, tried to cover their own arse with content removal, and then went to whine in Mastodon about the events, or the fact that there's transparency functionality in Lemmy (the mod log) against the exact same behaviour that they showed there.
So it's a case where both sides were wrong but given their relative positions the mod being wrong is a bigger deal.
Yeah I would ban 24 hours and continue with life.
It's your right to have an opinion on whether or not you think I was annoying. However, the rest of that is just wrong and needlessly rude. My comment was only to point out how many different ways the title could be interpreted without being explicit in what happened. There is no need to be so rude with your wild assumption. I just found the title to be mildly frustrating due to being vague because of the missing word, and I thought I would express that. Does that warrant moderation action? No. It breaks no rules and there was no intent to be disrespectful, nor is there any real tangible proof of any disrespectful intent.
I absolutely agree with you but it didn't really need to be said did it?
You 100% understood what the title was saying, so complaining that the title was ambiguous, and barely so, was pointless wasn't it?
Clearly everyone else agreed since you were downvoted.
I don't agree with you, but you can think all you want about how annoying or pointless my comment was. That is no excuse for their response, then they doubled down and tried to hide it by abusing their moderator powers. That's the only part of this that matters.
yes they appeared to be masterminding a coverup to rival watergate
Your argument is "they only committed a little bit of mod abuse. You need to let it go!"
They sarcastically replied to you and then removed the whole thread. Not just your reply
3 months ago.
Toughen up.
Conveniently leaving out quite a bit of important information there to twist the narrative.
Why are you so adamant on trying to attack me throughout this thread? Do you really not have anything better to do? Get a life.
I didn't think I needed to restate the facts this far in the thread.
Does it bother you that someone sees through your story?
Afraid of others forming an opinion against yours?
3 minutes...
What you are doing is pathetic
Shift done. You no longer exist in my head. Bye bye.
Hope Liam or whatever gets the same treatment in yours someday.
Bye kiddo
No it wasn't, but perhaps you could admit that your behavior did have a little bit to do with the response. It wasn't totally out of the blue was it, and you were equally in violation of the sub's rules.
I made no claims about my comment being perfect. I meant no disrespect or anything, even though I didn't articulate myself perfectly to display that. Making a comment about an article's title does not break any rules.
But none of that is the point here. Moderators are held at the very least the same standard as anyone else. As a moderator, they handled such a mild situation very poorly and lashed out, which is already evidence of being unfit to be a moderator. After being downvoted a handful of times they deleted their comment. Then later deleted my comments to even further hide it. My comments broke no rules. Someone else asked what happened and I responded with an answer of the situation, and they deleted that comment as well. They were absolutely abusing their admin to hide their embarrassment.
"Annoying" is subjective, and there is no rule against being perceived as being "annoying" in the community rules.
The only rule is to be respectful, which they did not follow at all, then tried to hide it.
Response to edit: yes, it was edited after it was brought up. The modlog is public, there's no need for me to try to hide anything like they tried to do. If you're going to try to give me shit for that, why do they get a free pass?
Nothing they did appears to have negatively altered the quality of the comments or discussion.
Respect is also subjective. Your initial post seemed to be mocking and disrespectful for no apparent reason. I'd argue the comment section is more respectful with your remarks gone.
Objectively, it appears they were right to delete their account. You're stalking posts mentioning their site and complaining about this nothing burger.
I would also distance myself from pedantic harrassers and focus on literally anything else productive if I were them.
Are you Liam in disguise or something? Why are you trying to make up shit like I'm "stalking" posts mentioning their site? I'm a user of Lemmy just the same as anyone else and when I see posts that bring up this toxic person's site, I can easily help inform people of their gross manipulative behavior.
There isn't even some grand "toxic" or "manipulative" coverup. The mod deleted the whole interaction because it was pointless and rude from both of you. It added nothing.
The jannie took out the trash and you're still harrassing them about the subjectivity of annoyance and respect. Y'know who makes that subjective choice? The mods.
I have no ties to this, but I am in opposition to this neat little narrative you appear to be creating tossing out buzzwords like toxic, gross, manipulative without evidence to back it up.
I've provided plenty of evidence, and there is more to be found if you feel like you need it. Do you really expect me to provide an exhausting dissertation on every single detail of the situation? I provided just enough to back up my claims. If you feel you need more, that's on you and it's available for you to find. That does not warrant your baseless accusations.
baseless...sure... you haven't been buthurt for months or anything... copypasting your narrative... oh... wait
So, because I copied my messages from before explaining the situation in an attempt to educate people about the toxic behavior of the website owner? Should I have wrote a whole new comment instead? Should I just keep quiet and let toxic people not reap the consequences of their actions?
Okay, bud.
Each time burying the lead that the mod abuse was against you.
I didn't even know who you were until I realized the username in the screenshot matched.
Have you ever heard that there's 3 sides to every story? I've seen yours. I think it's a whole lotta nothing.
Your inability to let it go after months.. It all tells me everything I need to know about why this means so much to you, and why you're still doing this.
Educator...okay.
This keeps you up at night.
Lol your argument is that the mod abuse is somehow okay because it wasn't against someone else?
Why should any amount of mod abuse be okay, forgotten, or 'let go'?
You've spent way too much time arguing a shitty position that really has no effect on you. Then you say I need to ' let it go'?
The irony is too sad to be funny. I feel sorry for you.
My argument is that you first appear to be a nuetral reporter when, in reality, you are a biased participant.
Also... This is night 1 of me thinking about this.
There won't be a night 2.
This is night 80 for you.
Don't project.
So, the facts are somehow not facts because of the source they came from?
You're insane.
Fuck that guy.
lemmy.ml doing .ml-things
What does this comment mean. No other communities have bad moderators?
Oh they absolutely do, but ml has a reputation for being particularly poorly moderated
.world has been putting in work to catch up lately
And it's a behaviour that stems from the admins who'll ban users from the entire instance if they disagree with their opinions.
It's the only instance I have blocked at my account level so I don't see their communties.