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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They have demonstrated history of asking third party clients to not use the signal name, and not use the signal network.

The lead developer, nearly 10 years ago now, specifically asked LibreSignal to stop. A single event does not make a demonstrated history.

Molly ~5 years in development
gurk-rs ~4 years in development
signal-cli ~9 years in development
Flare ~2 years in development
Beeper

The client that currently exists that do this do it against the wishes of the signal foundation

If you have evidence to back this claim, I would like to see it so I can stop spreading misinformation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

In the Libra signal issue that you linked to, they made it clear they don't want third-party clients talking to signal servers

You're free to use our source code for whatever you would like under the terms of the license, but you're not entitled to use our name or the service that we run.

If you think running servers is difficult and expensive (you're right), ask yourself why you feel entitled for us to run them for your product.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

He was specifically talking to that developer. The "You" and "You're" in that quote was specifically targeted at the LibreSignal developer.

I recall the gurk-rs developer specifically mentioned that his client reports to Signal's servers as a non-official app. The Signal admins can see the client name and version - just like websites can tell what browser you're using - and could easily block third party clients if they wanted to but they don't.

If Signal wanted to block third party clients, they would have blocked them already.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Moxie made it incredibly clear, he does not want third party is talking to the signal servers.

Libra signal took him at his word and turn themselves off

The other developers, like Molly, take a stronger road.

Is signal currently banning third party clients? No. But they've made it clear they don't like them. They didn't actually ban Libra signal, they just asked them to stop. Could they ban the clients in the future? Yes

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I'll reiterate my statement as you didn't address it.

If Signal wanted to block third party clients, they would have blocked them already.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

If you have a backdoored client, then you would naturally object to third party clients :)