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[–] [email protected] 72 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It's worth reading the entire article, it just gets worse and worse.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), U.S. Attorney's Office, and Montgomery County District Attorney all initiated criminal investigations of the matter, which they combined and then closed because they did not find evidence "that would establish beyond a reasonable doubt that anyone involved had criminal intent".

That's not even close to the worst thing in the article, but GG justice system. I'll remember this one day when I'm in court. "Well I didn't have criminal intent."

That's a defense now?? One that removes the need to even have a trial at all??

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The article actually goes easy on them. The first plaintiff sued because the student was brought into the principal’s office and told they were being suspended for drug use, and as evidence showed a photo of them eating something in their room. It turned out to be Mike and Ike’s candy. The family was so upset they were spying on the child in their bedroom that it escalated to an investigation and then the scandal unfolded.

The school tried to backpedal and claim that the app takes photos on a timer and they had no idea, and this was proven to be a lie in court when they showed the IT training video explaining how proud they were of the webcam snooping feature.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

It gets even worse: During the investigation, it was discovered that at least one person had copied videos and photos onto an external hard drive and taken them. The investigation never discovered who it was, or how many people had made copies; They just knew that files had been copied to at least one external storage drive.

The implication being that all of the teenage girls had their laptops open in their bedrooms, and at least one random employee had copies of their photos and videos.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Its been a defence for several hundred years, in fact! Showing intent is one of the three things you need to establish in every criminal case for it to be considered valid. Fuck the cops for dropping this case though, how in hell was there no intent to commit a crime here wtf.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Weird, I've literally always heard "ignorance of the law is no excuse to break the law", which seems to imply criminal intent doesn't matter. Only that the action that was take was illegal.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

There are strict liability crimes. Like if you admit to shooting someone but maintain it was an accident. You won't get a murder charge, (or murder 1 depending on state) but you are going to get time in prison.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well......you see......here's the thing........

Fuck you!

~Sincerely, the rich and elite, which control the legal system which is not meant to ever be in YOUR favor. It's a big club, and you ain't in it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

System working as intended.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

It's not intent to break the law, it's intent to do what you did. If I walk out of a store with a can of tuna I didn't pay for, that's shoplifting, right? Well, not necessarily.

If I walk into a store, pick it up off the shelf, hide it in my jacket, and dart for the exit, probably.

If my toddler slipped it into my jacket pocket, and I didn't notice, probably not.

If I put it in my jacket pocket because my toddler started to run away, I forgot about it, and paid for a cart of groceries... Maybe? But unlikely to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn't an accident.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

Intent to perform an action.

If they legitimately didn't know there was spying software on the computers and it was discovered later then they didn't intend to do it. But they did intend to spy on the students, and it doesn't matter if they thought it was legal.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

"Strict liability" crimes are the exception to that rule. A lot of relatively minor crimes, like code violations or letting minors into a bar, are in that category.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Its always been intent. If you pay with counterfeit bills but didn't realize because you got them from the shop that gave you change, you didn't intend to do fraud.

Intent matters, always has.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Of course, but in this case, their intent was to spy on children.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The use of the software after installation conveys criminal intent. IANAL. How could you use the software in a home environment without criminal intent?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

But they did mean to take pictures of minors in the privacy of their bedrooms in the name of stopping petty theft which I'm doubtful would have occurred on any meaningful scale in the first place. Whether they meant it "criminally" seems immaterial here. I think they got off exceptionally light, and it's a travesty of justice. You won't convince me otherwise.

I feel very sure we have prisons full of people who didn't mean to do whatever they did to be there.