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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Concluding that Russia interfered with an election to Trump's benefit isn't the same thing as concluding that Trump conspired with the Russians

Even if the report had concluded they conspired, concluding they conspired isn't the same thing as having "sufficient evidence to seek criminal charges"

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Mueller very specifically refused to conclude that there wasn't sufficient evidence to charge Donny.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

we focused on whether the evidence was sufficient to charge any member of the campaign with taking part in a criminal conspiracy. It was not.

from here

maybe he did but that's the only definitive statement i can find from him on the matter

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Mueller was talking about obstruction. It's hard to prove conspiracy if your witnesses are allowed to obstruct.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

mueller released the report in 2 volumes, one talking about russian interference and collusion, and one talking about obstruction

it seems pretty clear from the quote and rest of the source that he's not talking about obstruction there

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

But, the report said, “because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President’s conduct.

And

the investigation established multiple links between Trump Campaign officials and individuals tied to the Russian government. Those links included Russia offers of assistance to the Campaign.

And

Investigators “found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations.”

So: there was collusion, it was tied to the predisent, who then exerted “undue influence” to stop the investigation into the collusion. That’s what they found.

Were there charges? They weren’t ever going to bring charges - which I 100% disagree with, but which they nevertheless say was dictated by a DoJ “guideline memo” “not to charge a sitting president”.

the “investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.”

These 11 Mueller Report Myths Just Won’t Die. Here’s Why They’re Wrong

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But, the report said, “because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President’s conduct.

i presume you're pulling that from volume 2 of the report, since you didn't link anything

volume 1 deals with election interference

volume 2 deals with obstruction of justice

or in other words, your quote isn't relevant to evidence for conspiracy with russia

 

the investigation established multiple links between Trump Campaign officials and individuals tied to the Russian government. Those links included Russia offers of assistance to the Campaign.

"establishing multiple links" isn't the same thing as concluding they conspired, but even if it was, the second line of my initial comment addresses this:

Even if the report had concluded they conspired, concluding they conspired isn't the same thing as having "sufficient evidence to seek criminal charges"

 

Investigators “found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations.”

this is talking about obstruction again, not collusion

 

your linked article doesn't support the statement "mueller found enough evidence to convict trump" at any point, which means the journalist was correct

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Speaking of, where the hell is our fucking Unredacted report??

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

the memory hole