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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I think the debate is about what a reasonable class is. I don't think that an appendage, or identity for that matter, is a reasonable proxy for capability class. In my mind you really have to go one of two ways.

You either make everything class-less (think UFC 1) where all weights, sizes, abilities, genetics compete for a singular title

Or

You make science-based classes, based around whatever the best proxy for capabilities are (testosterone, chromosomes, height, weight, body fat percentage, some combination of the former, etc)

If you use nothing as a proxy, there would be a lot of people unable to compete but it would at least be unequivocally "fair". If you use science-based capability classes you would have a wider range of "fair-ish" competitions, but there might be some weird overlap where some men, some women, and those in-between bridge accepted norms.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

If you use nothing as a proxy, there would be a lot of people unable to compete but it would at least be unequivocally "fair".

The thing is there's always going to be people unable to compete. I don't have the ability to compete in the Olympics, and that's OK. I'm not asking for them to make a class for people like me specifically.

I don't know what the "right" solution is, but my opinion has always been that the premier class should be unrestricted and anyone can compete. Whether we have subdivisions is another question, and then what those subdivisions should be is another. Is gender/sex the correct subdivision, or should it be something else? There are many women who can kick my ass despite being a 6' tall man. Gender/sex is not a definitive proxy for capability.