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Greed.
I signed up for a year of Ultra yesterday, more as a show of support. I'm already regretting it after seeing how many tiers of pricing are now being shoved out.
I get the dev has to eat, but this is completely going against everything Lemmy is supposed to be about, while costing significantly more than its Reddit counterpart.
While not necessary, it would have been nice if there was a small discount for Ultra subscribers of Sync for Reddit. I got just over 1 year of usage out of my 'lifetime' purchase. A gesture, even a small one, would have been nice.
I've just been soured over this whole thing, tbh.
I added the new price tiers based on user feedback on here after launching.
I appreciate that, but your pricing is still still disproportionately high, especially when compared to the number of fantastic free alternatives out there.
I love your app, and I've supported you as a Pro and Ultra member on Sync for Reddit as well, but I really think you should reconsider the current subscription pricing and lifetime purchases for Ultra options. As far as I'm aware, Sync is also one of the only major Lemmy apps that has introduced ads/pay to remove ads option. You've brought subscriptions and money into a platform that is now home to an exodus of users that hated how those things were slowly destroying Reddit. It just doesn't sit right with me.
I've signed up for a year out of a show as support for you. The best thing you could do is show your long-term support for this platform by encouraging growth and fair options for users rather than creating multi-tiered pay walls with questionably high prices.
If lemmy is just for Foss crusaders it has no future
There's a huge difference between wanting something for free and wanting something fairly priced.
I never said I wanted it for free. I've even paid for a year of Ultra to show some support towards the dev. But I still think the lifetime and regional pricing needs to be adjusted.
Well as far as I am aware, not much if any of the ad and pricing policies have changed from Sync for Reddit, so it does not make much sense to be all the sudden surprised that Sync for Lemmy continues to be ad-supported. Sync for Lemmy is basically just a faithful port of Sync for Reddit with as few changes as necessary, which AFAIK is exactly what everyone asked for.
The ad-free version of Sync for Reddit (Pro) was around Β£2 to Β£5, depending on when you bought it.
There was also a fairly priced lifetime cost for Ultra (around Β£25). The pricing policy you're referring to is vastly different from what's on offer right now. I'm not sure how you're managing to even compare them.
I put in for a yearly ultra subscription and I'd do it again. Not everybody here is a FOSS crusader or hanging around on /c/piracy. Some of us are just Reddit refugees that want our Sync back because it was awesome.
Hell, just add a built in pirate mode for these people that removes ads for free. I bet most of us would gladly pay anyway, and it will hopefully put an end to all the sobbing
Maybe you should consider further regional prices. Here in Argentina it is U$S 20. I really want to support the app, but it is quite steep given our conversion rate and average income...
I paid for ad removal, considering lifetime ultra but this price is very steep. I have no idea if Lemmy is even around a few years from now. Could you confirm or deny that this price for ultra is here to stay?
Also, would it be possible to get a discount on ultra lifetime later if you already bought ad removal?
It's more like blackmail tbh. "Pay or i'll track the shit out of you and sell the data to advertisers". I can see why people are put off, and I am also. And what's the guarantee if we pay that the data isn't collected and sold anyway?
That's totally reasonable from the point of view of a developer who has to earn something to live. I mean you still have the choice to not use it. The internet simply works through user tracking and advertising
I've seen a lot of websites do the same thing. Either allow cookies or pay
Gawd, tinfoil hats are in right now!
How's it tinfoil hat? It's very clear how much tracking is going on if you don't subscribe. None of this stuff is made up.
I think he meant your last part. You say there is a chance that LJ will collect and sell data, although you paid for premium. That's a unnecessary accusation.
My last part was a question, not an accusation.
We call that JAQing off and it's never just a question.
"They don't answer me, conclusion is they do that thing I disagree with even if I don't have proof of it."
Right out of the alt-right playbook but applied outside of politics.
"I'm just asking questions here" Tucker Carlson Vibes
Wtf are you even smoking? See, another question that you can respond to.
If the dev tells you "information gathering is deactivated for users who pay." you won't believe them, you'll just move the goalpost and ask that they prove it by releasing their code, which they won't do because their app isn't open source and you'll conclude that because they won't prove it then we should just assume that they do.
That's JAQing off and that's exactly where you were heading with that first question. Guilty until proven innocent, but you don't accuse directly, you're Just Asking Questions.
People have checked. The only data collection is for ads, and it doesn't load the module at all if you have ads disabled.
I'm not the one that needs convincing!
You're really overthinking this buddy and making a lot of assumptions. And not to mention wasting your own damn time.
I'm wasting yours at the same time so it's not a bad trade-off π
Then don't use it if that bothers you. It's not blackmail lol
@Lmaydev @quantum_mechanic
You can stop using that for free, you can continue using it for free with ads, you can subscribe and use it without ads, you can buy lifetime access and use it without ads
So many options
Plenty of options for people with plenty of money.
@starlinguk @andrr_464 @CloudSheep @ljdawson @quantum_mechanic @Kecessa @Lmaydev
Web version is free. Thatβs how I browse Lemmy and itβs ok. This comment was posted from my mastodon account though.
The point is itβs all open, choose something and enjoy
Thereβs also βdonβt use itβ, which is a perfectly valid option.
There's a difference between "There's a lot tracking happening if you don't pay!" and "What's the guarantee you don't track us if we pay?" and that difference comes in the form of a hat... Made of tinfoil...
Notice how it was a question? See this '?'
Why are you getting mad? The economy of scale is simply not there yet because there is only a handful of us lemmy users right now. With 100,000 active monthly users, even if 1% of them bought a subscription at $17/year, it'll still going to net the dev ~$12,000 per year (after 30% google play fee) which is actually below US minimum wage. As lemmy got more and more users, I'm sure the dev would revise the pricing. If he were greedy he would just quit and work at some big corp instead of working full time on a lemmy client for peanuts.