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Most Democrats want Biden to drop out, but overall race is static, poll finds
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A number of people on here are quick to blame the media rather than Joe Biden. I also want Joe to drop out, and apparently a bunch of people who are willing to take a poll also want a president who is mentally with it. Take an honest look at the candidate.
Edit: for clarity
Ask yourself why the question on every MSM article is about bidens age instead of trumps pedophilia, then you'll see why we like to blame the media
Because we already know we don't want trump, any time spent on discussing that is time wasted. But time spent on discussing whether biden has a chance to actually defeat trump is time well spent, because otherwise we may end up with trump.
Because that's what Democrats in Congress are talking about? Because that conversation has historical and political implications for Democrats? Because donors are dropping support for Biden daily? That shit is pretty important news when it bears weight on who is going to be the Democratic nominee. How could they not run those stories? That's not to say the mainstream media is some completely benign institution, or that it isn't going to go against it's own interests (ie, profit, or making money in general), or that every article about this situation has been warranted (like, any that call for people to not vote or vote third party are definitely in service of Trump's campaign). It absolutely serves corporate interests, which align with its own, for the most part.
But Trump being a convicted felon and yet-to-be-convicted pedophile has zero implications for Republicans and, evidently, his chance of winning the election. His electability isn't tied to his morals. We learned this in 2016. Whereas some Democrats have standards, some have fears of their own electability if they double down on Biden, and others believe that sending Biden against Trump is political suicide for the Democratic party. I'm not sure how any of that is the media's fault.
Not to attribute too much credence to the phrase, but I think it's worth considering "there's no such thing as bad publicity." Maybe the free publicity isn't so bad for Biden, no matter the light, because it's time not spent broadcasting his opponent's name into people's ears.
That's like reporting on the sunset every day. Trump is a known monster, Trump is a known dipshit, Trump is known to be a criminal. We get news when something new happens. 36 felonies was news. Being sued for his rape is news. Him being unable to keep his mouth shut wasn't news until he was given a gag order and violated it.
If they dedicated every minute to Trump's bullshit, we'd either:
We do get news about Trump each day, the Project 2025 hacked showed he was lying about being ignorant of it, what a shock. No one cares about it until "what about trump?!"
Because Biden's cognitive decline is news, while Trump's Epstien connections are not. People on social media think that the recently disclosed Epstien Grand Jury documents name Trump as a co-conspirator and accuse him of raping a 13 year old. In actuality, Trump is not mentioned in the Grand Jury filing, and they are sharing documents from a 2016 civil lawsuit that was dismissed (which doesn't mean it's not true, just that it didn't meet the burden of proof to move forward). For the record, the lawsuit was widely covered by the news at the time.
Trump admits that he was an associate of Epstien, but his official story is that he and Epstien had a falling out before his 2005 arrest, and he knew nothing of his human trafficking. I'm sure that's bullshit, but we have no evidence to contradict it. So, there are no MSM articles about Trump's pedophilia because there is no news to report on it, or even evidence that it ever occurred.
It's because Trump being a terrible person is the expectation and there has also been no tangible evidence of that particular crime. Biden knowing wtf is going on, being functional after 4PM and having debate skills comparable to 4 years ago is also the expectation. He did not meet it.
No tangible evidence?? Have you read the transcripts and other documents that have been released on Epstein? Have you read the complaint for the rape allegations? Have you seen the interview where Trump says he would unseal 9/11 classified documents but not files on Epstein? Have you seen the interviews where Trump denies knowing Epstein, and the many pictures of Trump with Epstein throughout the years? Have you seen the interview where Trump says he liked to walk into the dressing room of minors at the beauty pageant he owned so he could see them naked? Have you seen the interview with Trump where he says that when you are famous, you can just grab women by the pussy and nobody can stop you? Have you listened to the interview with Trump and Howard Stern where Trump agrees that his daughter, 30 years younger than him, is voluptuous and beautiful and a piece of ass? Any of that build any credible picture of any particular pattern of behavior for you?
Just to be clear, Trump is garbage and has no business being president. However, Biden is a flawed candidate compared to four years ago and also has no business being president.
None of that is tangible evidence now is it. Barring photos, a video or a rape kit, all of that sounds a lot like every other allegation against Trump.
Exactly, we all know Trump has said lots of pedophilic things, but unfortunately there is no hard proof ( yet -- I'm fairly convinced there is some, out there), so a prosecution couldn't really do anything.
But it doesn't matter at the end of the day. The dudes a convicted felon. It doesn't affect his electability. Yeah, the news should report on it. But they can't call him a pedophile outright, and anything short of that just bleeds into the rest of the unsavoury reports about Trump for the past 10 years. Republicans just don't care, or believe its all some Democratic plot or some shit.
Meanwhile, pressure from Biden's own party for him to step away from the nomination? That shit is wild (in terms of news story), it's legitimate, and it will get clicks. Any self-interested news organization is going to report on that, because it's what is going on, and it is juicy.
Pandoras box has been opened, Democrats can't just ask voters to shut their eyes and ignore the drama. Something needs to be done. Joe Biden has tried to alleviate the pressure, but it didn't stick. We'll have to see what happens at his new conference today, if it isn't him stepping down, already.
Grand jury testimony is taken under oath. If testimony taken under oath in a court of law isn't tangible evidence to you then you're an idiot and part of the "both sides" problem. These people are actively dismantling our constitution and this idiot over here is pounding the table for a rape kit for a rape that took place on a private island years ago.
Dude, just because someone thinks another Democrat has a better chance at beating Trump doesn't mean they are a "both sider." Nor does it automatically make them an idiot. That is just reductive and dismissive on your part.
No one is saying Biden is just as bad as Trump, or Democrats are just as bad as Republicans. We're saying Biden doesn't have a chance at beating Trump and we need a stronger candidate.
They've got a candidate that can literally be criminally charged and it won't matter. We've got a candidate who voter will stay home for because he's old. That's a huge problem.
I don't have a problem with their estimation of the odds of winning an election. I have a problem with them dismissing any insinuation that the proven rapist is a proven rapist unless and until they see a rape kit or a video of a rape. That is some pre-Me Too, but what was she wearing, ignorant ass rapist apologist garbage and I won't not call it out. Trump is a rapist. There is evidence. Judges and Juries of the United States have decided this, even without having to rely on a video or rape kit!
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18418220/carroll-v-trump/
He's definitely a rapist, no doubt about that. Appreciate you linking the case, too. But just because his being on Epsteins flight logs isn't blowing up in the same way Biden getting pressured out of his campaign is blowing up, doesn't mean the media is trying to get Trump elected. They're advancing their own interests, for sure, and those interests are inherently capitalistic, but to say or infer this push to replace Biden is originating as a right wing media campaign to get Trump elected is just nonsense to me.
I did not say or infer that. I'm only responding to the "no rape kit = no rape" statement. No perspective on media coverage or fitness for presidency is intended to be inferred.
Sorry, you're right. The original person you responded to was pushing back against someone saying
I didn't even say that, it's likely the rape happened, but without tangible evidence it sounds like every allegation against him. Testimony is simply more allegations and his voters won't believe it. FWIW, he is already a civilly convicted rapist and it didn't move the needle at all.
Testimony under oath is evidence. Federal rules of evidence article VI. If a court finds it credible (as the court did here), it is evidence. Not being familiar with the law is no excuse to spread incorrect information about whether or not the former president is a rapist.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=is+testimony+evidence+us+law
Tangible evidence is what I said. Not evidence. Not testimony. Tangible.
It's testimony, not evidence. No one has to believe it. And suddenly I'm an idiot and pounding the table? You wanted to know why the media is talking about Joe Biden and not Donald Trump and I gave you answer. The fact that "people are actively dismantling our constitution" is actually completely irrelevant to the facts. Trump is a known piece of trash and Biden should also know where he is. Both things can be true and the new dementia information is actually far more interesting to people and the media.
I did not want to know about the media coverage.
Testimony under oath is evidence. Federal rules of evidence article VI. If a court finds it credible (as the court did here), it is evidence. Not being familiar with the law is no excuse to spread incorrect information about whether or not the former president is a rapist.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=is+testimony+evidence+us+law
Say it with me - there is substantiated evidence that Donald Trump is a rapist.
This entire comment thread was about media coverage. Find yourself another strawman.