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The Fallout series. The worldbuilding is so sloppy and lazy that it grates pretty much from the get-go... and that's without even mentioning the white supremacist subtext it's all drenched in.
What?
Oh look... a liberal that refuses to see white supremacism when it's literally on a screen a few inches from their face.
Yawn.
Wo did you think the (so-called) "ghouls" really are a stand-in for? Who did you think the (so-called) "tribals" are a stand-in for?
The narrative structuring around ghouls generally paints them as being unjustly denigrated, so even if they are race stand-ins it wouldn't be for the purpose of promoting white supremacism.
FTFY.
By that logic any depiction of any form of supremacy, or otherism as a concept, regardless of intent, is detrimental. So, homogeneity only? Commentary is an excuse? Critiquing about the problem is as bad as endorsing it?
It sounds like you're not mad at Fallout specifically, but one of the core tropes of literature as a genre, and basically the entire concept of social satire.
Man… you went so far out of left field to reach that conclusion that you’ve landed in touchdown territory!
Nah, race isn't implied in any of that. Ghouls were originally portrayed sympathetically, for the most part, at least until they turned zombie-like. Do you think zombies imply racism?
As for tribals; surprise! Humans arrange ourselves into small groups, often referred to as tribes, no matter what our shade of skin, nation or origin, or even our level of technology.
Lol! I guess you haven't realized why the majority of protagonists in the "zombie apocalypse" genre are always paragons of middle-class WASP-ness?
Sure, Clyde... I guess the reservations exist purely because their inhabitants like the view, correct?
Sorry buddy, these are not the stereotypes you think they are.
Lots of different movies feature lots of white people. Zombie movies often feature minorities. Frankly, zombie movies have much more to say about modern life than other genres. If they focus on white people more, it's typically to point out how we're pretty fucked up right now without the zombies. It's not racist to comment on race. But you have by no means established that Fallout made ghouls as racist stereotypes.
Tribes have always existed, in every people group. We have them now, everywhere. We grow up in them. We build them on our own. Only loners live outside them, and they aren't healthy. Just because diverse people revert to older tech after an apocalypse and get referred to as "tribals" does not make it racist. Even if it was, it's the fuckin apocalypse! I'm woke as fuck, but some people might possibly become a little shittier at the end of the world. They could be calling each other much worse things. Regardless, you have not established any connection to America's reservations whatsoever. Nor frankly, have you demonstrated that you speak for Native Americans.
Only if you see the world through the same white supremacist lens that is so prevalent in (so-called) "prepper" communities.
You mean it has nothing to do with the (supposed) "threat" posed to white middle-class Americans by all these "othered" peoples? I wonder what would happen if we were to replace the word "immigrant" with the word "zombie" in US main-stream media - would it make it any different or would the propaganda work pretty much the same? You need me to remind you how US authorities treat marginalized people during natural disasters?
I don't have to... the games pretty much does that all by itself. The relationship between humans and these "ghouls" in the games is a perfect representation of the "race relations" lens through which white liberals view the subject of white supremacism - which is, not concidentally, the furthest liberalism will allow discourse on white supremacism to go.
Lol! So what's the name of yours, then? Where's your "tribe," Clyde?
You were aware that it's literally peak white supremacism to simply assume that everybody living in un-colonized spaces exist in (so-called) "tribes," right?
No go, Clyde - you don't get to deflect from white supremacism by using Native American folk as camouflage.
Wow. Just think. You typed all that for nothing. What a waste of your time.
The protagonist of Fallout 2 is literally a tribal that goes to save his tribe and in the end kills the president of USA.
Even if you're right, you don't need to be such a smug prick about it. They're literally just asking a question.
I'll try and keep that in mind.
But I am dealing with liberal here, you know.
Dude if you care at all about expanding your ideology beyond yourself, it behooves you to not be an insufferable jerk to literally everyone you talk to. Your demeanor completely undermines any effort you might make here to (perhaps even rightly) challenge the societal norms you deem inadequate, unjust, or otherwise bad. People will just assume you sit in a continuous state of masturbatory rage and dismiss anything you might have (even potentially of substance) to offer to the conversation. Frankly I'm not sure I've ever read anything in print which so clearly expressed an air of self-righteous smugness, save for perhaps something by Bill Maher or Richard Dawkins.
Figure out how and when ad hominem is appropriate. Learn how to disagree tactfully. Try to exercise some empathy, at least to the point of being able to connect with folks long enough to rattle off whatever rhetoric you have in the ol' back pocket.
You are assuming I'm here to "expand" an ideology - that's a bad assumption, and you should feel bad about that.
I wish - that sounds lie a lot more fun than whatever this is.
Okay, I have to admit - that kind of stings.
I'm afraid that I don't have the energy to waste on respectability politics - I don't have a thousand years to wait until liberals (magically) become "ready" to hear how the liberal consensus has screwed them (and the rest of us) over. It's going to have to happen in a more abrupt fashion - but I can assure you... they will come out the other side without a scratch on them.
I'm not here to recruit people for some "ism." I'm here to throw a wrench into the machinery of recruitment itself. Nobody here will hear the rhetoric I "have in the ol’ back pocket" no matter how loudly I shout it - but they will sure hear the rhetoric they use to defend this ideology, and it will probably be the first time they hear themselves thinking it out loud, too. Let's face it - liberals do not have a lot of practice thinking about liberalism at all. All I'm doing is giving them the opportunity to do so - they sure won't be getting that from the media and political establishment racketeers gaslighting them into not thinking about it.
You're trying to dismantle the echo chamber by amplifying voices inside to the point that they think what they're saying no longer or has never made sense, and by extension alienate folks outside looking in.
It sounds like an interesting strategy, and might be fun if that's what your about, but I doubt it's very effective. I think the risk of it backfiring is probably too high to see a very good return on your effort, especially without any way to verify positive outcomes. Maybe you're different, but I could also see the toxicity of the cynicism required to maintain the strategy decompartmentalizing and seeping into other parts of my life, potentially causing me to alienate my friends and family as well as affecting my mental health.
I any case, I got respect for anyone willing to stick to their guns for what they think is right, especially if it's for positive social change. I just hope you've weighed the consequences of your method.
I've been doing this since 2016 - the only thing the alternative strategy is effective at is to ensure it's users suffer endless burnout.
As you can see... I'm still very much at it.
Backfire to what? Simply flowing along the "liberal-to-fascist" pipeline like they were doing anyway?
I expect no "return" here - this is not a business. I don't treat people like "political assets" that has to be gaslit into doing what this or that faction of the political establishment wants at all costs - here on lemmy.world, I leave that shit to the "vote blue no matter who" brigade.
Not really... my irritation with people who think they can "vote" fascism away is short-lived and skin-deep - it's very hard to stay angry at people when you know exactly how the politics that have been drilled into their heads got there in the first place. You might just as well stay angry at people for catching the cold.
The group of people privileged enough to be able to convince themselves that politics is simply a spectator sport they can opt out of whenever something better is showing on the other channel is shrinking by the day - the friends and family I've lost to the far-right had very little to do with my behavior, I'm afraid. It's almost like liberal politics primes people to either lurch towards the right or merely acquiesce to it after a smidgen of ineffective protest - and I have a hunch that's no coincidence.
Alright. Good luck.
What?
If you browse their profile, they're just a reaction troll. Block, move on.
Go ahead, liberal... block me.
That won't change the fact that the liberal fairy tales you've been feeding yourself is coming apart at the seams.
I think, if you're serious, you may wish to consider challenging what you believe in. You won't get a rise out of me, so don't bother. I just wish to push you to try.
Cheers, friend. Hope you do. :)
Then offer me something - show me how your ideology actually explain anything.
That is - if you can?
Sorry :)
I know from experience that the only way anyone who holds such strong beliefs will change their mind is when they are placed in a situation that seriously challenges it. So most of the time it is up to the individual to choose to challenge their beliefs, not me. I'm just a speaker you can ignore.
Good luck. I hope if you do that you end up at some conclusion that helps you. And yes, I know you will claim that this means I have nothing to show you. I guess you'll have to decide if that means you're unwilling to try.
FTFY. Yawn.
"Conservatives" are liberals, Clyde - they're simply liberals that are further along the "lib-to-fash-pipeline" than you are.
So no... you didn't fix squat.
Fallout New Vegas has IMO very good world building. Can't say anything about the other parts.