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Found this blog post and found it had more insight into the issues around the dev and the toxicity in FOSS

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (10 children)

There literally wasn't a problem.

Until the person that asked for the correction literally assumed that said dev was assuming. Since thats what they said in their comment.

So I can understand being a little pissy at someone pointing to you and accusing you of assuming something. It's stupid.

I may have been a little irritated too if someone accused me of assuming something. I wouldn't have reacted the same, but I would have been clear that I in no way assume anything related to gender identity.

If the person wouldn't have put that assumption into their comment, the change may have been more likely to happen.

Instead they assumed something and got push back which turned into the scene we see now.

Ass u me... I mean it's pretty clear.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (9 children)

Ah OK, I think we're getting to the heart of why you are saying that this wasn't an issue.

When you say that the author wasn't assuming anything, what exactly do you mean? If, for example, I write in a guide that if a user of my software does 'a' then he can expect result 'b', do you disagree that I am assuming my users go by he/him pronouns?

I might not have done it with intention, but there is an assumption being made there. Words mean things.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (6 children)

As an outside observer, who is a male which is important for this sentence, if something said "if a user of my software does 'a' then she can expect result 'b'," I wouldn't assume I couldn't use the software, I wouldn't be mad about the gendered pronoun, I wouldn't assume anything about the author, I'd say "cool so if I do A I can expect result B." I don't think I'd even give it a second glance, at best/worst I'd think "oh neat I wonder if the devs are women" and move on with installing the thing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's great! Same here, to be honest. But I also realise why it doesn't affect me, because as a man I've never felt unwelcome in these spaces purely on account of my gender.

Kind of like how as a white guy, I wouldn't really feel much other than a bit of surprise if someone called me a cracker. I haven't felt oppression and prejudice connected to that word, or any other that is to do with my whiteness. But I do NOT then turn around and say "well why are people upset about being called n-words? They should just move on with their day like I can!"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

No honestly if we change it to be a woman dominated field where I'd feel unwelcome instead of a male dominated field, like say teaching, I still wouldn't be upset at the assumption because frankly it doesn't hinder my ability to understand the material, I can read it as a typo and move on.

Unless I guess the person was aware of who I am and intentionally misgendering me to be a dick, then yeah, but if we've never met and the thing I'm reading is general, then it basically is just a typo the author didn't realize they made.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Right, so continue that thought into why you wouldn't be affected by it.

Perhaps you wouldn't actually feel quite so unwelcome in an education role as women might in STEM. I did a quick google to see if teaching was as female-dominated as STEM is male-dominated, and while yes it's very close, hilariously the first result was about how there is still a gender based wage gap issue even though it's so dominated in the other direction.... Interesting.

So while you might think you can really put yourself in their shoes by imagining yourself in a teaching role, now try imagining yourself as a woman in a male-dominated field, in a male-dominated society, in a male dominated world. Could be a little bit different, maybe

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Sure I guess I'd just be offended by everything always which doesn't sound exhausting at all. Or maybe I'm already not the top paid person in my field either and measuring my successes against others is a recipe for jealousy and misery. I guess it's dealer's choice really.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Ah, women are just choosing to be unreasonably offended by the patriarchy. Got it.

Also - this wasn't even about someone being offended. It was a quiet PR to fix a grammatical mistake, and the reason given was simple and correct: the pronoun used was needlessly non-inclusive. It's everyone else who has an issue with this that seems to be offended, in my opinion

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I mean, yes. In some cases on some issues, some people get offended at things that are frankly a waste of anger. This is a good example of that imo, as opposed to being mad about real patriarchal shit like the wage gap, being mad because a general document says "he" seems like it's really jumping the shark.

Personally I'd probably have checked to make sure the person who submitted it didn't pull an XZ utils or just fuck something else up by accident before I merged it, but assuming it was literally just :%s/he/they/g then I'd have merged it, simply because while I don't think it's really that big of an issue either way it's easier to just do it than being brigaded and bullied.

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