this post was submitted on 28 Jun 2024
1322 points (98.5% liked)
Political Memes
5484 readers
2212 users here now
Welcome to politcal memes!
These are our rules:
Be civil
Jokes are okay, but don’t intentionally harass or disturb any member of our community. Sexism, racism and bigotry are not allowed. Good faith argumentation only. No posts discouraging people to vote or shaming people for voting.
No misinformation
Don’t post any intentional misinformation. When asked by mods, provide sources for any claims you make.
Posts should be memes
Random pictures do not qualify as memes. Relevance to politics is required.
No bots, spam or self-promotion
Follow instance rules, ask for your bot to be allowed on this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
I honestly don't know who you think needs to hear this. Nobody wanted Biden in the first place. Everyone knows he's too old. The people downvoting you probably did it because Biden and Trump are our only options in this election. Yeah, no shit he's too old. What the fuck are we supposed to do about it now? Once he decided to run again, that was it. It would have been nice if there had been another primary, but nobody wants to challenge a sitting president in a primary, and historically it hasn't gone well.
Biden went to the 2020 primaries under the premise that he would be a single-term president, specifically to kick Trump out, and it was immediately used as a hammer against internal critics. Once president, his policies couldn't be criticized in any way (not even in a constructive one), because it was "ammo for the republicans", or else "but he's doing good things too!" (never mind that the positive Biden policies, positive as they were, were always patchworks, and never structural reforms); once the time for primaries was getting closer, the mantra became "saying that Biden is too old is a Republican talking point", and "you can't run primaries in a party with a sitting president". And perhaps there was well intentioned people who took all of these ideas at face value and believed in them, but they always refused to see the subtext: "do not question the official Democrat party line", regardless of its blind spots and conflicts of interest.
Well, what are you going to do now that the official party line has crushed all opposition year after year and the Democrats have suddenly discovered themselves in front of the abyss, sacrificing all possible alternatives for the sake of electoral success when even the people most ideologically aligned with the Old Guard are scared? Are you going to continue justify all the bad decisions that took you to this place, or are you going to analyze what the hell is wrong with the party to start reforming it immediately after the elections? I understand not wanting to have an open-air debate immediately before the presidential elections, but if you guys refuse to work it out right next, I'm just going to assume that the USA is just going to be a fascist country by 2033.
Also, when Marianne Williamson tried to challenge Biden for the Democrat nomination, the white house press secretary openly mocked her in a white house press conference.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm1-Ef8Lxns
(My favourite thing about this clip is that the press secretary has obviously been coached to mock Marianne Williamson for having a crystal ball, but she doesn't know what a crystal ball is and confuses it with a magic 8-ball.)
My impression is that Biden said he would step aside in the hope that a viable alternative would present itself. It did not. It was also hoped that a Trump loss might push the GOP away from him and off the path of pure fascism. It did not. I think he ran more because he didn't want fascists in power than because he wanted the power himself.
I was under the impression that he was supposed to be handing off the role to Kamala, which was meant to be a shift towards a young(er) leader, woman and person of color that they hoped would check enough boxes for younger voters to make them think she was an actual progressive. That plan seems to have been nixed once they realized she has so little appeal across the board, she could probably lose a popularity contest to any number of infectious diseases, and Kamala 2024 got scrubbed.
They potentially could have found other viable alternatives, but they would have represented an actual shift in party leadership rather than bowing down to the party orthodoxy, so the DNC would never actually support them.
What they really want is another candidate like Obama that is charismatic and can talk in a way that convinces voters who don't feel represented by the current Democratic party to say, "This is the candidate who can deliver on reshaping the party in line with my views," while having no intentions of meaningfully deviating from the party line. I think the experience with Obama is still fresh enough in the minds of these voters that they are on guard against the same sort of deception a second time.
Do you really think there is no alternative? Isn't it more a matter of making place for an alternative, and then it will turn up?
My God man we still have at least 4 viable alternatives from the 2020 primaries. If we'd held real primaries we could have avoided this easily.
People need a reality check on Biden's senility. Some of us saw it earlier than others who continued to live in a silo. I am willing to vote for Joe but I also knew he's a liability with no strength versus Trump under these circumstances.
And we both had options and have options right now. Convention is 8 weeks away. Democrats can still jump ship and I can think of 6 alternative, younger, more charismatic candidates to win this stupid fucking popularity contest with ease.
People need a reality check on their reality checks. Biden has been living with a stutter since he was young - it has nothing to do with age or senility. Those high-pressure, fast-paced debates just aren't a good platform to measure people up unless they're a showman. I feel confident in my own opinions, but I still freeze up in fast-paced debates where I can't look things up.
Haha this is some serious copium bullshit. Stutters don't cause you to jump from abortion to immigration stories mid-sentence.
And if you want proof of that, go watch VP Biden debate Paul Ryan. After you do that, re-watch last night and tell me that's his stutter.
Biden isn't a new inexperienced politician. People like you have been telling me that Biden's experience should prepare him to have debates like this, which should ve even easier when lacking an audience. Shit it wasn't even as good as his 2020 debates.
Shit, the 2020 debate against Trump is available and it's Day and Night.
We could have told him it was time to retire. Instead we gaslit an octogenarian into thinking he had to give up his retirement.
Lmao. Who's we? I certainly didn't do anything of the sort.
It's been a group project. You get the same grade as the rest of us.
I don't see how it makes any sense to blame the voters for Biden's ego. Dude's convinced he's the only one who can win, apparently, else he'd step down and we'd have a brokered convention. How is that any of our faults?
The voters could have made it clear in the primary.
There were no real options on the primary ballot. There would have been, had he decided not to run, but he didn't.
There was the blank option. It was even demonstrated.
So because not enough democrats showed up to a primary to vote for nobody, we're all guilty of gaslighting Joe Biden? That's stupid. That was never going to happen.
It happened in Michigan. So it was always possible. And you don't vote for nobody, primaries include all offices going to election. You just leave one box blank. That's all.
I can see your point, and I'm sorry I kept engaging with you in such a rude and shallow way. I was taken aback by the idea that we were guilty of gaslighting the president, but there was no call to be a jerk about it. Apologies, and best of luck to you.
Looking back at this thread I could probably have been more clear from the start though too. It's an emotional topic for sure.
Absolutely. It's frustrating and terrifying that so many people are disconnected from reality to such a degree that they're ready to exchange an extremely flawed democracy for a confederacy of dunces. I think that if we get through this, we really need to institute a mandatory year of civil or military service, alongside medicare for all. People feel like the government is some external entity, instead of something that they're part of, and participating in.