Ukraine

8279 readers

641 users here now

News and discussion related to Ukraine

*Sympathy for enemy combatants is prohibited.

*No content depicting extreme violence or gore.

*Posts containing combat footage should include [Combat] in title

*Combat videos containing any footage of a visible human must be flagged NSFW

Donate to support Ukraine's Defense

Donate to support Humanitarian Aid

founded 2 years ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]

136

Putin offers truce if Ukraine exits Russian-claimed areas and drops NATO bid. Kyiv rejects it (apnews.com)

submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

32 comments fedilink hide all child comments

Russian President Vladimir Putin promised Friday to “immediately” order a cease-fire in Ukraine and start negotiations if Kyiv began withdrawing troops from the four regions annexed by Moscow in 2022 and renounced plans to join NATO. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy rejected what he called an ultimatum by Putin to surrender more territory...

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] [email protected] 49 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

...after the U.S. and Ukraine this week signed a 10-year security agreement that Russian officials, including Putin, denounced as “null and void.”

You can't declare something "null and void", invalid, in your legal system if it doesn't even exist in your legal system.

Like, you aren't a party to this. It's got nothing to do with you.

Unless the claim here is that it violates the US or the Ukrainian constitutions or something like that and they're talking about those systems, which I assume is not what's going on.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-calls-russias-election-occupied-territories-null-void-2024-03-14/

Ukraine calls Russia's election in occupied territories null and void

See, that is meaningful. Ukraine's saying that they don't recognize the authority of the elected people as representing the people there; they aren't going to deal with them or extend them authority. Whether Ukraine recognizes the people there has some impact on its actions.

But Russia isn't going to deal with the agreement or extend it authority. There isn't any question of them recognizing it or not recognizing it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

But Russia isn't going to deal with the agreement

I'm pretty sure Putin is gonna have to deal with it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I declare Bankruptcy!