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Okay, so that's two for Canada, one for "you have to prove you have a job or resources to support yourself, but no specific health care requirement".
Gonna guess this is a Canadian thing, then? Or at least a thing in some places but definitely not "all the countries with good health care".
I've only looked at Canada and Japan personally, but I can add that Japan also does this. The process of immigrating is to effectively prove you'll be a net positive on their economy if you live there, limiting disability is one way they can do that.
Well, hey, all I can say is that's not how it works either in my home country or in the other place where I lived as a long term resident, and I am glad that's the case. Over here even undocumented migrants have a right to health care, which was not uncontroversial but is definitely the right call.
Yes illegal migrants have access, as well as do everyone else in those places like people taking in during war.
The topic is specifically about people immigrating to those places from a country without soical nets, to a place with social nets, where they can only take from the system and never put back.
Illegal migrants and people accepted during wars, WILL eventually contribute to society. Immigrants that are already disabled is something else entirely.
No it's not. First of all, there is no requirement to be healthy to be able to be a migrant here. That's not a thing in either my home country or the country I personally moved to. Both of those place have "social nets".
I get being annoyed at the places where that is true, but why assume it's universal? It clearly isn't.
Or you just don’t understand the verbiage.
Which countries? I bet if we looked through there would be limitations.
I literally moved to a different country and lived there for a decade. I think I would have noticed while I was filling all the forms. I talked to no doctors, I answered no questions and nobody ever brought it up. The first time I got a physical after moving it was the yearly checkup at work.
And I've worked with migrants here as well. Hell, I've hired migrants. In one case we messed up the paperwork and had to start over. Not once did we check for any disability exemption of any kind.
And no, I'm not telling you my life history just because you're too conservative to assume that countries don't just issue blanket bans for sick people to be immigrants, go google it or something, do some research before telling other people on the Internet how the world works.
What countries? You can’t prove your claim without anyone being able to verify it.
Make excuses, but you need to provide the countries or your claims are quite frankly bullshit and not valid.
We don’t need a life story lmfao, two countries. Thats it.
And why are you saying I’m conservative? Because I’m calling out your bullshit claims? lol good one dude.
Because you are acting like a baseline of inhumanity is the norm and refusing to accept the economics of not being a complete dick could be sustainable, which is a pretty fundamentally conservative stance.
I'm still not telling you where I live because I am not an idiot, but what I can do is google it for you:
https://expatsi.com/healthcare/disabled-expat-guide/
There, go be weird somewhere else.
To get a visa in Panama you need to have X amount of income…. Thats the restriction on disability or being able to support yourself….
As I said, different verbiage, same end result.
Bury your head all you want.
Same amount whether you're disabled or not, so no, not a "restriction on disability" at all.
Keep going down that list, though, you'll figure it out. Just don't feel the need to post updates.
If you’re disabled and can’t work, you wouldn’t have an income. These places will give you money to support you if you can’t work.
If you have income, you pay taxes when you spend that money, you’re paying for your burden……..
It’s so simple, yet you miss this? Come on. You should insult me some more, show how little you understand of the world…..
No, if you don't have a job or means to support yourself, you are cut off from migrating to most places, regardless of your disability status. Being disabled also doesn't mean you can't work or have an income.
If you can legally move to a place as an person without disabilities, being disabled in itself will not be a blocker (apparently only in some places), as long as you meet all other requirements, which is what the meme above is about. There is a very, very wide gap between offering to take care of foreign dependents sight unseen and actively excluding disabled people because they are a "burden". As in, only one of those is an extremely dickish, borderline eugenic stance, the other is entirely run of the mill red tape.
As in, I migrated to another country and nobody checked my disability status, but they sure as hell checked that I had a job. Like I said in the first place.
And even then, there are countries that will provide health care universally as a recognized human right, including undocumented migrants, even if they still require a job or income to allow visa access or permanent residency. Like I said in the first place.
I'm running out of ways to ask you to be weird about this somewhere I can't see you.
Huh, it’s almost like these restrictions are for ones that can’t work and provide excessive support to those who can’t work. Like autism for example, that takes the caregiver out of being a productive citizen too.
And an income limitation is exactly that, discrimination…. If there wasn’t an income limitation, anyone from like Uganda can come in and take advantage. You’re the heartless conservative now for limiting them.
See how you’ve made this arbitrary line yourself that’s acceptable…? Income limitation, disability limitation, why is one okay and not the other….? That’s hypocrisy you conservative….
You call me weird and conservative, yet those are things you’ve now shown yourself since we found your line, funny how that works doesn’t it? You can’t even see how simple and easy and discriminatory an income limitation is. It limits people with disabilities most since they have issues working and making money…. Fucking lol.
"Anyone from like Uganda and come in and take advantage" is an astonishing sentence to see anybody type.
In any case, all of this is already debunked up there. I have zero need to keep this up. Go sit in a corner and think about this for a bit or whatever it takes to give you some perspective because, boy, you need some.
Why? Because it shows how stupid it is to argue disability restrictions are weird while claiming income isn’t….?
Yeah people usually say that when they realize they’ve put their foot in their mouth, because that’s what you’re saying should happen if disability restrictions are “weird”.
So are income restrictions okay? While others aren’t? Can you say it aloud that you are a hypocrite, you’ve basically said it in the comments, mind as well spell it out dude.
What’s been debunked?
See if you follow this.
Immigration requirements that aren't about whether you have disabilities aren't about whether you have disabilities.
Good? Good. Now go google all the other ways you are wrong about this. I already started it for you and you never made it past the first country name you saw, you have a lot of homework.
What’s that from? And how does it support your point?
They absolutely are, they are discriminating people who would be a burden on their social nets, the fact that you’re trying to say they are two different things speaks volumes about your conservative character.
You’re justifying discrimination people for one thing, while decrying another. Not a shocker that you’re a hypocrite, and are still digging that same hole while not explaining how it’s different. Just saying it’s not doesn’t prove anything lol.
I also didn’t need to go past the first, since all the others have income limitations too…
Alright, here's another thing for you to try to follow.
You not understanding a distinction doesn't mean it isn't obivous.
You’ve also yet to answer the question about which two countries you specifically have claimed are better than others. Until you provide that, no one here should take anything you have claimed in good faith. Every place discriminates on disability in some way, you just got educated on how….. I’m sorry this is so hard for you to comprehend, income limitations are to prevent people from coming in and abusing the social nets.
Can you provide a country without one so it can maybe align with your claims…? Or just answer the original question of which 2, they can be ripped apart and this entire thing is done and over.
Either you’re right or not, you can only provide the means to prove that. Let’s go dude.
I was kind enough to google the whole thing for you and you couldn't make it past the first example in the quote I was kind enough to pull (didn't even bother with the article proper, I presume).
So no, I'm not doing any of that. You already have homework and I already have nothing else to prove. Go have fun.
You weren’t kind enough to do anything… you were asked for two specific countries, and provided a very easily disproved link that never supported your original claim…. Probably everyone discussing this topic here has googled and read that before, every country has an income limitation. We’ve established how that discriminates against disabled.
I’ve read far more articles about this, you seem to be one who hasn’t done their homework, and you hold this asinine idea it’s fine to discriminate one way and not another. Everyone always finds a ways to justify their behavior sexist, racists, xenophobia, conservatives like you that protect their hypocrisy on others.
The onus is on you dude, you’ve made the claim, people have debunked it for you, you either support it more, or stop digging in about the same dead point. All it’s doing is showing your hypocrisy as we’ve established comments ago.
I’ll give you an easy one. How is income limitation not discrimination, please. This should be easy for you to answer, and should show us why you are being a piece of work. You went and made another claim you need to support now, let’s go, you fucked up dude.
You can arguing about arguing all you want, it's not gonna change the facts.
But I do love the "read more articles about this". The thought of which articles is chilling, considering.
You provided an article, or do simple words confuse you thus?
And what facts? More claims, let’s see these facts that have now claimed have been provided.
Why can’t you answer simple questions? You want to claim the income limitations aren’t discrimination, yet you won’t explain how… what a shocker.
If you do, we can easily explain how it isn’t, but clearly you have trouble accepting that your opinion can’t be wrong.
OK, here's what you do. You start this thread from the top, then you get to the part that tells you how this works. Then you stop.
I did, there’s lots of people explaining the same thing to you…..
https://lemmy.zip/comment/11051328
It’s a very simple concept, using income as a limitation, is a free way to discriminate against anyone you want who would be a burden. And you get people like you, who justify it, so they get to continue to do it. You want less, raise it, want more, lower it. They picked a specific number for a reason…..
Look we explained it, and we didn’t even need to get your opinion, since it’s just plain wrong…. Shocker….
If you have money, you’re not a burden… as we established back at comment 2… yet you continued to argue this same asinine point.
It's not an opinion, it's how things work, as established by both reality and personal experience. You can keep the inane responses for as long as you want, friend, you're not gonna dimension hop.
Places with social net for people with disabilities don’t just want people coming in and being a burden on the system.
In theory, as a citizen you’ve paid your due in taxes until you became a burden.
I am VERY glad that's not how we frame it here.
I mean, hey, yeah, being a place where people like to retire the issue does come up in conversation, but health care is a constitutional right, it is provided universally and even undocumented migrants are allowed to access most of the system. Makes sense to me. You get taxed a proportional amount of what you make, everybody gets the support they need. I have several family members that would likely not be alive right now without that principle and that's how I wanted to be treated when I lived abroad, so I have no problem extending the same privilege to others.
Yay for socialdemocracy, I guess.
You’re free to go to those places if you can support yourself or be supported by someone else who would be paying into the system.
Too many people abuse the system, and they would need to increase everyone else’s taxes if they just let everyone in. Reality is, no one wants double the taxes and people leaching off the system, even if they would lie and say it publicly.
It’s not framing anything, that’s just reality, you’re free to bury your head in the sand and think elsewise, but all it does it prove how foolish and naive you are.
I'm not "burying my head in the sand", I live in a country where we have a constitution that recognizes a universal right to health care and I vote for governments that maintain that, even for immigrants.
Our health care is fine, our economy is doing fine and I am absolutely fine with the taxes I pay, publicly and privately. I've told my accountant as much, and in the country I migrated to I paid less taxes, so I even gave up some opportunities for tax exemptions because they seemed unfair, given the privilege I had access to and the kindness I was granted as a guest.
You being a bad person doesn't mean everybody else is or that not being a dick is "naive", friend. Some of us just choose not to live that way with full understanding of the situation. I get why you wouldn't want to acknowledge it if that's not you because woof, that sure makes you sound... not great. But, you know, you can't bury your head in the sand and think elsewise, that'd just prove how foolish and cynical you are.
It’s the same thing in those countries, that’s why they restrict who comes in so not a million people come in and be burdens. Where are you referring to? I bet there’s restrictions and you just don’t know about them.
I already replied to you on this. I know about them. I've been a hiring manager for migrants, a migrant and also I have google and I did check before responding. And no, I'm not telling you the countries I've lived in, I don't give a crap about your belief or acceptance. I'm telling you how it is, you can go look up examples yourself, take my word for it or keep making a fool of yourself online, I genuinely don't care which one you choose, man.
I’m telling you I’ve done that, there is multiple people telling you they’ve never heard of this either.
What’s wrong with naming two countries if you’re some of yourself…?
Doesn’t even need to be the two you’ve been, why is this question so hard for you to answer if you believe in this so much?
Even professionals make mistakes… why do you think that supports your claims? Answer the question and people can answer this for you.
See above and go away.
Panama requires a minimum income. That’s the disability protection…..
See how naive you ? Can’t even comprehend this simple restriction most countries have.
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/notices/changes-medical-inadmissibility-policy-irpa-take-effect.html
I think there is some thought going on about what it means as a society to discriminate against people with disabilities during immigration.
It seems like the US would have a similar problem with people moving between states that had medicaid expansion and ones that do not. I don’t know if there are any studies on the issue.
Discriminating during immigration based on a congenital disability feels like discriminating based on race to me.