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infos & some criticism of the app :
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life360
(also some cars have integrated tracking)
Pretty much every single car made in the last 5 years has it. And it's been in cars starting in the 90s so just because your car is a 2015 doesn't mean it's safe.
Every car. Not pretty much every one, but every one. Telemetry boxes have been around for a while and you can even get Telemetry Insurance if you have one. I think by 2015 all manufacturers had them.
Edit: I want to also state this is for the US. Other nations are also doing this, but may not be there yet.
My car doesnt, its from 91 tho so... yeah.
My rust bucket only has a pre-ODB port and i'd rather maintain it than buying a new car.
How would someone go about finding out if their older car has this?
I have a 2012 Honda civic coupe and I can’t find anything about telemetry, but I doubt that means anything.
Years ago I found a good list of manufacturers and the year they became compliant. I can't seem to find the same list today (isn't that the way with the internet?). I did find this site that seems to list the recovery capability of the vehicles which indicates whether they are compliant or not. This should suffice:
https://blackboxrecovery.com/supported-vehicles/honda?rq=honda
It looks like you are in luck! Bad luck anyways. 2012 was the first year that Honda model was compliant according to that site.
Edit: Here is another list so you might cross check (PDF warning): https://www.collision-recon.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/EDR-Supported-Vehicles-List.pdf
Well that’s disappointing. But I did a bit more looking and at least it looks like it needs to be actively plugged into something to get information out of. This model year/trim package doesn’t really have, like, stuff? Just Bluetooth, and looks like that’s not useful for anything but audio.
Definitely wish I could entirely disable it, but.. is what it is I guess, and at least it’s not phoning that info home, or sending to anyone else.
This is what I found from 2014, so before every car was a full service internet infotainment spyware system on wheels.
https://www.edmunds.com/car-technology/car-black-box-recorders-capture-crash-data.html
Yes, whilst you do have a telemetry box, it is not phoning home. Data must be actively pulled from it by hand. As you know, typically this is done after an accident to better tell what the car went through. I know there are people who have sought to disable the boxes, but I don't know the legal or insurance ramifications of doing so. It is also difficult to locate them as they are "hidden" in the mass of wiring and other components. There are probably manufacturer-specific auto forum discussions on the matter to refer to.
If you care about not being tracked, look up how to remove the cellular modem in your car. I found instructions on how to do this with my vehicle and it's pretty easy.
Till they get rid of car ownership; then you are on the hook for damaging their car.
Yeah but I'll be dead before that happens!
Hmm I hope this is not a veiled threat of suicide.... Because the disappearance of ownership is almost here
Of course not. I just don't think car ownership is going anywhere for decades. The government doesn't move that fast for anything. I asked in another place in the thread why the guy thought that but just got downvoted for some reason.
Precisely because the government drags their feet with proper regulation is why we are here
The corporations keep eroding your rights to own anything in the contracts they make you sign (to buy a car for example)
They reserve the right to turn features off or hide them behind paywalls without your agreement ... They reserve the right to spy on your with sensors you paid for and sell the data to whomever they want without compensation to you or liability over the consequences of that data being out there
They reserve the right to terminate your warranty if you do anything to your car they do not approve of
These measures literally dilute what "owning a car" means... This is what people refer to when they say ownership is coming to an end. It doesn't mean you can't have a car... It means the car is not quite yours and may be doing more work and money for someone else after you nicely paid for it
I get what you're saying, and I'm as frustrated as any other privacy-aware person, but until they can prevent you from reselling your car to another person (where all of this stuff means diddly squat), there's really nothing they can do. And I doubt that's going to happen anytime soon.
Well, they are already mandating how you can use or modify your car... And Tesla did put financial penalties on reselling the cybertrucks so we are definitely not far from even your definition of ownership being hindered
Teslas terms are egregious. I honestly don’t know how people are willing to put up with it.
Indeed my good man. And it's not even like those cars are the best or only choice in the planet
Better get to it then. I'm predicting somewhere in the next 5 years, true car ownership will be dead for new cars
We're already at that point. I will never buy a new car.
Is it different for used "newish" cars? Or were you referring to used "pre 2018" cars?
Depends on the manufacturer and model.