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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What Marxists get the pass, and which don't?

Non-authoritarians and authoritarians respectively. It's not that complicated.

There are no .world communities for Communism

Did you seriously not even look? Or do you not understand how the fediverse works

Return2ozma got banned on Lemmy.world for criticizing Biden.

Doubt.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What's the metric to determine between authoritarian and non-authoritarian? Marx and Engels both considered themselves Authoritarian.

1 community with 1 post? Certainly seems like a community welcoming to Marxists! Show me a Marxist community on Lemmy.world that actually has participants, lol.

My point is that the biggest and most active communities are on instances either blocked by .world or are threatened to be.

You can see why Return2Ozma was banned, your admin admitted to it.

You're goofy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How about "advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom"?

Show me a Marxist community on Lemmy.world that actually has participants, lol

Accessed via .world, moderated by a .world user. I also moderate an openly pro-communist community from .world, [email protected].

You don't understand how Lemmy works.

You can see why Return2Ozma was banned

He was banned from c/politics, not from .world. The c/politics rules aren't .world rules. He made a post from .world literally a few hours ago.

(I don't agree with the ban either, btw)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Cool, then Hexbear and Lemmygrad aren't tankies by your definition. Go over and ask them about that. Oh wait, you can't.

Communism is a lemmy.ml community, which is my point. Lemmy.world does not host any communist communities despite being the largest instance, and it seems like they may defed from .ml soon, leaving .world with nothing. I'm not sure if you are intentionally not seeing my point, or if you genuinely don't get it.

196 is an Anarchist community, not a Marxist one. Supporting Marxism can get you banned there.

I didn't say Ozma was banned from the entirety of .world, just that posting anti-Biden articles will catch you a ban on .world, further proving their general anti-Marxist stance.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

To be fair I didn't see anything all that bad when I skimmed Hexbear but clearly Lemmygrad has no shortage of CCP and Stalin apologists.

Either way, I don't know why you're whining at me about a decision I didn't make or agree to, and has nothing to do with why I don't approve of tankie rhetoric.

Communism is a lemmy.ml community ... Lemmy.world does not host any communist communities

Which is accessible by .world users, so why would we need a new one that isn't as active? Lemm.ee doesn't have an ALTA community, do you think they all hate ALTA?

196 is an Anarchist community, not a Marxist one. Supporting Marxism can get you banned there.

We're a leftist community. I've never seen someone get banned for supporting Marxism, and I'd invite you to post to your heart's content but the crux of your issue seems to be that we have very different definitions of authoritarianism/tankie posting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Lemmygrad has a fairly standard Marxist stance. What do you count as "apoligism?"

Lemmy.ml hasn't defederated from ATLA communities. Lemmy.world having no Marxist communities and showing signs of defederating from Lemmy.ml sends a pretty clear anti-Marxist stance, especially when they defederated from Marxist instances already.

196 does not advertise itself as anti-Marxist, but very quickly Marxists get branded "tankies" and get banned. It's easy to pretend to support Marxists and allow Marxists but then brand them tankies if they take standard Marxist stances. That's why it's better to just call 196 an Anarchist instance, if Marx himself would be considered a Tankie.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

CCP/Stalin apologists, people who defend the CPP/Stalin.

Lemmy.world having no Marxist communities ...

Still has nothing to do with my disapproval of tankie rhetoric. Personally I think everyone should be given a chance to have a civil discussion even if I disagree, but defederation isn't my decision.

but very quickly Marxists get branded "tankies" and get banned.

I've never seen a shred of evidence for this, and I can see the modlog. I'm open to checking it out and advocating change if you actually have something to support this, but frankly, you running defense for Lemmygrad doesn't exactly lend you any credibility.

If you post Marxist/communist/socialist stuff without a hint of tankie shit or authoritarian apologetics and it gets you banned, you have it here on record that I'll personally defend you and advocate for change in the community.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What counts as defending? Like, if I say I think it's cool that China has high speed rail, am I a tankie? That's why I am asking.

As for 196, I try to avoid discussing anything political there except for the most benign and uncontroversial takes possible, because that's what that community tends to want.

Where do you draw the line between authoritarian and Marxist? What good Marxist movements have existed that don't count as authoritarian to you? This all seems vibes-based.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You've gotta be being deliberately obtuse.

How about "advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom"?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Everyone does that to different degrees, where is the line? Is it a vibe check?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago

CCP/Stalin apologists, people who defend the CPP/Stalin.

How about "advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom"?

If you genuinely still don't understand what it means to defend authoritarianism, I can't help you. It doesn't get more specific than what I've already given you.

Otherwise, I'm not going to keep entertaining willful ignorance.