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Ireland, Spain and Norway to recognise Palestinian state (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Ireland, Spain and Norway have announced they will formally recognise a Palestinian state on 28 May, triggering an immediate response from Israel, which said it would retaliate by recalling its ambassadors from Dublin, Madrid and Oslo, and withholding vital funds from the Palestinian Authority.

The three European governments made the long-awaited announcements in coordinated moves on Wednesday morning that they said were intended to support a two-state solution and foster peace in the Middle East.

“We are going to recognise Palestine for many reasons and we can sum that up in three words: peace, justice and consistency,” Spain’s prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, told the parliament in Madrid, to applause. “We have to make sure that the two-state solution is respected and there must be mutual guarantees of security.”

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Dismantling Israel as an apartheid state and replacing it with a secular binational state that has equal rights for Palestinians and Israelis?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Well that can't be what he thinks, I listed that as an option in my original response

Except this guy specifically said he hopes the current Israel is dismantled. At best they could be hoping that Israel changes into a better government, but I don’t think that’s their meaning.

But he clearly said

No where does that say dismantling Israel.

So what entity which has colonized Palestine for 76 years, but isn't the current Israel does he mean?

EDIT: Words have meaning, if the words you use don't mean what you mean, then admit that you used the wrong words and be more clear or else people must assume you mean what you say. Coming in after the OP and attributing meaning that they didn't give doesn't suddenly change what they said. A reminder, the original post was;

Hopefully this is a step toward dismantling the brutal apartheid regime that has colonised Palestine for 76 years."

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Dismantling the regime. If someone said we need to eliminate the Chinese Communist regime, would you think they want to destroy the entirety of China?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I know I said we need to be clear in our language, but since we were talking about a "regime" from the beginning I didn't think I had to continuously spell it out throughout the discussion. Yes, we're talking about whatever regime is being referenced, but again the last guy said it wasn't Israel.

Regime Noun

a particular government or a system or method of government:

Your comparison between China and Israel is really terrible. If we're being super duper clear on what a regime is, it's the system of government. Israel is a parliamentary democracy, all citizens over the age of 18 can vote. Since the regime is democratically elected it's kinda hard to differentiate the Israeli people from their Regime. China on the other hand is a unitary one-party state, if you're not in the party and at the right level of the party then you don't have any voice. It's a lot easier to separate the people of China from their government.