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‘How do you get hypothermia in a prison?’ Records show hospitalizations among Virginia inmates (apnews.com)

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The Virginia State Police investigator seemed puzzled about what the inmate was describing: “unbearable” conditions at a prison so cold that toilet water would freeze over and inmates were repeatedly treated for hypothermia.

“How do you get hypothermia in a prison?” the investigator asked. “You shouldn’t.”

The exchange, captured on video obtained by The Associated Press, took place during an investigation into the death of Charles Givens, a developmentally disabled inmate at the Marion Correctional Treatment Center, who records show was among those repeatedly hospitalized for hypothermia.

After a special grand jury considered the case but opted not to bring criminal charges, Givens’ sister sued in federal court, alleging her brother was subjected to routine mistreatment, including “cold-water torture,” before he was fatally beaten in 2022.

The lawsuit has raised broader questions about conditions at the southwest Virginia prison, which the grand jury described as “inhumane and deplorable.”

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm not complaining about anything. I'm asking how to convince people of something. And the ironic part of this is that I'm asking how to get people out of a vengeance mentality and your answer is vengeance.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Cool good luck with that. Let me know how that goes.

I am sure you’re going to change the world by spreading your words on lemmy. Sounds like complaining to me.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Do explain how asking a question is complaining.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Look up the definition of complaining and get back to me

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sure, just as soon as you look up what vengeance means. Because, again, your suggestion for getting people out of a vengeance mentality is vengeance. While suggesting I'm disparaging Americans by suggesting they have a vengeance mentality.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm disparaging Americans by suggesting they have a vengeance mentality.

Wrong. Americans are sitting on their asses. There is no vengeance or vengeance mentality. If that’s truly what you think you need to go outside and touch grass. Go mingle with your community because your mind is warped. Lemmy and reddit is a terrible representation of the American or greater mentality in the world.

Looking at your comment history it’s clear you spend entirely way too much time on lemmy. It’s no wonder your perspective is so warped.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I am far from the only one who sees America's vengeance culture. Here are some others who see it, including academics:

The call for vengeance is rooted in the nation’s very founding, in the way English settlers treated the native people and each other. Over the last four centuries, it has repeatedly been expressed as violence acted upon the most defenseless people, scapegoats of social tyranny. Vengeance is the Achilles heel of what it means to an American, negating the hope that inspires each generation and continues to draw immigrants.

The most gruesome recent examples of social vengeance were the state murders of Troy Anthony Davis in Georgia and Lawrence Russell Brewer in Texas. For many supporters of the death penalty, these killings illustrate the blindness of justice: death was inflicted fairly on an obviously wrongly-convicted black man and an unrepentant racist white man. For anyone who believes in a humane sense of justice, one that has a moral or ethical (as opposed to a vindictive or punitive) lesson at its heart, these acts illustrate how barbarity is accepted as a normal part of American life.

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From the return of the death penalty to the wars on terror and in Iraq, Americans demand retribution and moral certainty; they assert the "rights of victims" and make pronouncements against "evil." Yet for Aladjem this dangerously authoritarian turn has its origins in the tradition of liberal justice itself - in theories of punishment that justify inflicting pain and in the punitive practices that result. Exploring vengeance as the defining problem of our time, Aladjem returns to the theories of Locke, Hegel and Mill. He engages the ancient Greeks, Nietzsche, Paine and Foucault to challenge liberal assumptions about punishment. He interrogates American law, capital punishment and images of justice in the media.

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In this season of gratitude and goodwill, we’re greeted with headlines reporting revenge travel, revenge dressing, revenge impeachments and revenge of presidential proportions in the 2024 campaign of Donald Trump. But are Americans avengers?

The answer was simple once. Yes, we dreamed of revenge, cheered it at theaters and sports arenas, secretly wished it upon bosses and double-crossers. We prayed revenge would right family slights and false friends. Yet we respected the line between fantasy and action. Our society demanded it. Vengeance was considered uncivilized, unethical, an act of ugly self-destruction. We denied the need to get even.

In recent years though, we’ve seen a surge in vindictive behavior. Judges, journalists, politicians and their families have been targeted with violent reprisals. Online encounters trend spiteful, with TikTok and Bumble fighting the spread of revenge porn. Corporate culture plays like a mud-pit production of “Measure for Measure,” starring Elon Musk. And congressional midterms are a grudge match, the next round scheduled for January, according to the headlines: “The GOP captures the House — and is ready for revenge.”

https://scholar.harvard.edu/terryaladjem/publications/culture-vengeance-and-fate-american-democracy

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/12/27/lets-get-american-revenge-00074960

https://www.thenation.com/article/society/abortion-afghanistan-revenge/

https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1003&context=book_chapters

https://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/30/american-vengeance/

So are you sure it's not you who has the warped perspective? Considering you're suggesting people commit murder to effect change?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don’t see how any of this represents the greater American public. Plus it’s just more garbage from the main stream media.

You live in an echo chamber. This is why you need to go out and touch grass and actually meet your community.

You link a couple of articles about psychos being psychos.

Are you saying we need to convince mentally ill people to stop being mentally ill?

Again you clearly don’t see how much of a strangle hold corporations have on everything including the “news”. The people you’re voting for don’t represent you. They are there to collect big bucks from corporate lobbying.

All of these politicians are filthy rich. Ask yourself why when their salary is less than 100k a year.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Harvard is the mainstream media? The University of Michigan is the mainstream media?

Again you clearly don’t see how much of a strangle hold corporations have on everything including the “news”. The people you’re voting for don’t represent you. They are there to collect big bucks from corporate lobbying.

All of these politicians are filthy rich. Ask yourself why when their salary is less than 100k a year.

Again, why are you not getting out the guillotine if you're complaining about this? Because you said that makes someone a hypocrite if they complain about America but don't get out the guillotine.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

LOL Harvard is all rich people. They represent rich people. Who do you think owns the 24 hour news cycle? Rich people. Who do you think is buying politicans? Rich people. Wake up and get off Fox News. If you want to sling shit at anyone it’s corporations.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yet again, why haven't you gotten out the guillotine?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Because you said that makes someone a hypocrite if they complain about America but don't get out the guillotine.

Actually I never said this. So either you have reading problems or you’re now trying to use straw man arguments to win a moronic position.

The reason I don’t pull the guillotines out is the same reason you don’t. But I am not going to sit here and circle jerk myself into thinking that voting is going to change anything when we have 50 years of evidence that it doesn’t.

I called you a hypocrite because you’re calling out Americans when you’re sitting on your ass. I am not the one calling anyone out except you.

I can tell you’re bad at reading comprehension.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The reason I don’t pull the guillotines out is the same reason you don’t. But I am not going to sit here and circle jerk myself into thinking that voting is going to change anything when we have 50 years of evidence that it doesn’t.

...and we're back to 'do nothing and change nothing.'

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well you’re already doing nothing so good job on that one

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Please prove I am doing nothing about prison reform.

Unless that was a lie. Was it a lie?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Shit posting doesn’t count

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In other words, you have no proof and you lied. Thanks for that tacit admission.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Or maybe you lied. Do you have proof you didn’t lie?

Naner naner! I got you!

Sick retort kiddo!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's an interesting way to avoid backing up your claim.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What claim is that? That you sound mentally ill right now?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

I sound mentally ill because I'm asking you for evidence of your claim about someone you've never met and know next to nothing about?

I think you may want to go back over that...