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Yes, so people's environment shapes their ideas. Brains do not secrete thought like Bile.
People's environment can INFLUENCE their ideas, sure, but it doesn't DICTATE them regardless of all other factors.
And fyi sometimes Brians DO secrete, but they'll thank you not to draw attention to their embarrassing medical issue.
Where do ideas come from?
Kuurne. It's a municipality located in the Belgian province West Flanders.
So you're ultimately uninterested in arguing anything meaningful and just want to loudly and proudly flip the table, got it.
Nah, I've just realized that there's no talking you out of your delusion, so I might as well have a little fun with it 🤷
What delusion?
That all ideas stem from material conditions and no material conditions are the result of ideas.
All ideas stem from material conditions, but just as matter shapes humans, humans reshape matter, which reshape humans who repeat the process.
That's the driving force of history.
It's absurd to think that ideas change matter without material changes.
You're FAR too fixated on matter. How old are you again? Did you recently read philosophy for the first time and it just so happened to be of a materialist nature? Because you're very much giving off that "child repeating things they don't understand" vibe.
Nope. It's MUCH more varied and complex than just people interacting with matter.
Not anymore absurd than your extreme oversimplification of the concepts of knowledge and opinion.
It is absolutely absurd to think that matter changes depending on how you percieve it. You're deeply unserious.
IDEAS change depending on how you perceive them. Matter isn't always involved at all. Not everything is arranged in neat rows to fit your silly pet theory.
And your perception is based on matter, yes. The outputs are made of inputs.
I'm beginning to think there's a fundamental misunderstanding at play here. Could you do me a favor and define exactly what you mean by "matter"?
Matter. Existing mass.
So you ARE talking about physical matter as the foundation of all ideas?
Alrighty then, no reason for me to keep wasting my time trying to talk you out of your delusion. Have a nice day.
Ideas are not made of magic.
True. Guess what? Just because you can't touch something doesn't mean that it's magic.
Nope, sure doesn't. It also doesn't mean that the metaphysical is the origin of that which shapes ideas. There are no ghosts out there giving you ideas.
Just take the L and leave me alone.