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An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the "ML" influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.

Serious posts, news, and discussion go in c/Socialism.

If you are new to socialism, you can ask questions and find resources over on c/Socialism101.

Please don't forget to help keep this community clean by reporting rule violations, updooting good contributions and downdooting those of low-quality!

Rules

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0. Only post socialist memes


That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme)


1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith interactions is enforced here


Try to keep an open mind, other schools of thought may offer points of view and analyses you haven't considered yet. Also: This is not a place for the Idealism vs. Materialism or rather Anarchism vs. Marxism debate(s), for that please visit c/AnarchismVsMarxism.


2. Anti-Imperialism means recognizing capitalist states like Russia and China as such


That means condemning (their) imperialism, even if it is of the "anti-USA" flavor.


3. No liberalism, (right-wing) revisionism or reactionaries.


That includes so called: Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Dengism, Market Socialism, Patriotic Socialism, National Bolshevism, Anarcho-Capitalism etc. . Anti-Socialist people and content have no place here, as well as the variety of "Marxist"-"Leninists" seen on lemmygrad and more specifically GenZedong (actual ML's are welcome as long as they agree to the rules and don't just copy paste/larp about stuff from a hundred years ago).


4. No Bigotry.


The only dangerous minority is the rich.


5. Don't demonize previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.


We must constructively learn from their mistakes, while acknowledging their achievements and recognizing when they have strayed away from socialist principles.

(if you are reading the rules to apply for modding this community, mention "Mantic Minotaur" when answering question 2)


6. Don't idolize/glorify previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.


Notable achievements in all spheres of society were made by various socialist/people's/democratic republics around the world. Mistakes, however, were made as well: bureaucratic castes of parasitic elites - as well as reactionary cults of personality - were established, many things were mismanaged and prejudice and bigotry sometimes replaced internationalism and progressiveness.



  1. Absolutely no posts or comments meant to relativize(/apologize for), advocate, promote or defend:

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Kuurne. It's a municipality located in the Belgian province West Flanders.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So you're ultimately uninterested in arguing anything meaningful and just want to loudly and proudly flip the table, got it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nah, I've just realized that there's no talking you out of your delusion, so I might as well have a little fun with it 🤷

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That all ideas stem from material conditions and no material conditions are the result of ideas.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

All ideas stem from material conditions, but just as matter shapes humans, humans reshape matter, which reshape humans who repeat the process.

That's the driving force of history.

It's absurd to think that ideas change matter without material changes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

All ideas stem from material conditions

but just as matter shapes humans, humans reshape matter, which reshape humans who repeat the process.

You're FAR too fixated on matter. How old are you again? Did you recently read philosophy for the first time and it just so happened to be of a materialist nature? Because you're very much giving off that "child repeating things they don't understand" vibe.

That's the driving force of history.

Nope. It's MUCH more varied and complex than just people interacting with matter.

It's absurd to think that ideas change matter without material changes.

Not anymore absurd than your extreme oversimplification of the concepts of knowledge and opinion.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It is absolutely absurd to think that matter changes depending on how you percieve it. You're deeply unserious.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

IDEAS change depending on how you perceive them. Matter isn't always involved at all. Not everything is arranged in neat rows to fit your silly pet theory.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And your perception is based on matter, yes. The outputs are made of inputs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm beginning to think there's a fundamental misunderstanding at play here. Could you do me a favor and define exactly what you mean by "matter"?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So you ARE talking about physical matter as the foundation of all ideas?

Alrighty then, no reason for me to keep wasting my time trying to talk you out of your delusion. Have a nice day.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

True. Guess what? Just because you can't touch something doesn't mean that it's magic.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nope, sure doesn't. It also doesn't mean that the metaphysical is the origin of that which shapes ideas. There are no ghosts out there giving you ideas.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Just take the L and leave me alone.