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They're openly allowing illegal immigrants to vote in federal elections now in Arizona. (i.redd.it)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

SSN doesn’t prove citizenship.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Please explain. The question is how do you prove citizenship without proof of citizenship. One way would be SSN.

Obviously it’s not officially recognized as proof of citizenship, but that wasn’t the question.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Anyone eligible for work in the US is provided with a SSN because all workers pay taxes and SSN are used to track tax payments.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yeah see at least there you’re proving you’re allowed to be here and work legally.

Never said it was perfect, but to my knowledge it’s the best alternative, which is the question I was answering.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

SSN doesn’t prove citizenship. My friend has a social and she isn’t a citizen.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Once again, that wasn’t the question.

The question was how can it be proved without proof?

That’s probably the next best answer.

If you disagree, what alternative would you suggest?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Passports show citizenship

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Passports also cost money. Using those would effectively paywall voting.

Or the US Government could start paying for it from our taxes and provide one to everyone.

You also need proof of citizenship to get a passport, so it’s not much of a solution here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You also need proof of citizenship to get a passport, so it’s not much of a solution here

Birth certificate

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Right but the question is how else to prove citizenship without that. We’re going in circles now.

And unless your parents kept it in good condition on your behalf until you were old enough to keep it, it costs time and money for a replacement. Once again, paywalling the voting process.

I could get down with your suggestion to use passports, provided they’re not paywalled when you need a new one.

Alternatively we could use SSN and either allow those that are not citizens but pay taxes to vote, or update the SSN system to differentiate between citizens and non-citizens. It’s our best and most complete db of American citizens, which is why I bring it up again. It would require the least effort to use in this way.