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I found this sign posted on a store's building when I was on my way home from a job interview. No, that isn't my hand in the image; I had to find an HD version on a Facebook page for a company.

The most libshit thing you can do is disregard the paradox of tolerance because being open to fascists seems more inclusive at face value when, in actuality, it isn’t at all.

Equating the discomfort that BIPOC, religious minorities, women, LGBTQ+ people, immigrants, the disabled, and neurodivergent people go through with a chud feeling uncomfortable simply because he got dunked on for his trash takes is just sleazy as fuck to me.

In essence, yes, you can not and should not kick someone out of a facility simply for harboring certain political views, but the need to put said political views on the same level as the discrimination that all the above categories go through makes this one of the most transparently performative attempts at inclusivity I've ever seen.

The best thing to have done was to just simply leave "ALL Political Parties" off the damn sheet.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 7 months ago (3 children)

In essence, yes, you can not

Yes you can

and should not kick someone out of a facility simply for harboring certain political views

Yes you should

Political views are also a choice, unlike most of the other things on that list, to state the obvious.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

Political views are also a choice

Political ideology spews from the circumstances of material situation. Everyone believes their own views came to them rationally through the muses of logic and they have a hard time sympathizing with contrary views. I find it difficult to sympathize with fascists, because I'm one of their principal targets. Billionaires have a hard time sympathizing with me since they see money how I see tap water.

It's a choice to vocalize or organize political views, yeah, but a person's views come from two sources: their own personal experiences or they have an extraordinary level of ability to view reality through a different perspective. That second thing is really rare and doesn't impact a person's views nearly as much as their own lives.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Political views are also a choice

Not to get all jokermala but you didn't just fall out of a coconut tree. You're the product of your historical and material conditions.

In that sense, its not unfair to say that kids who grew up ensconced in the imperial core are inevitably going to have political views informed by their personal economic conditions and educational institutions. What's more, as the benefits of the imperial core being contingent on the continued exploitation of foreigners and "illegal" domestics, the First Class Citizens are in a naturally adversarial relationship with their Second Class and foreign peers.

TL;DR; Read Settlers

That's not an argument against inclusion. At some level, you are right to exclude folks with toxic ideology from events focused on organization and action that these poisoned ideologues are going reflexively to opposed.

It is simply a recognition that certain people have more agency wrt their political philosophy than others. Folks who get to go to University and travel the world and meet people with adverse ideology and conditions and actually do something to participate in the struggle for liberation are on a very different footing than folks who just grew up in the back country of empire and fed themselves from the company store that's suddenly got empty shelves and a big "Immigrants Did This To You" placard where the treats used to be.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I agree with this sentiment to be honest. I guess it was poor phrasing on my part because boldly expressing chuddy views and wearing hate symbols can be very exclusionary to all the other aforementioned groups and shouldn’t be tolerated, no matter how inclusive the place tries to be in theory. It was more just like, "As long as they're not causing a ruckus with their politics, then sure, they can shop wherever the fuck they want.”, but if this poster emphasizes being accepting of “all” politics, then the implication does seem like they’d be fine with a loser wearing a swastika shirt barging in, otherwise the context of welcoming all political views would be quite redundant to include.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

I'm with you tbh. In theory, someone who just holds some beliefs that are never expressed or observable by outsiders is, by definition, nobody's problem. But explicitly allowing intolerant people to come in is just asking for trouble because we all know these people do not keep to themselves at all.