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I'm looking for an android browser to open webapps isolated from my general browsing

I've been using Mull as disposable browsing and brave for login into places (shopping, social), but I don't like that if I want to stay logged it also keeps history record. I think it would happen with any browser I use, right? Any suggestions?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

DivestOS maintains a table on browser security and privacy. Firefox is nowhere near what you claimed/parroted, and is much better than any browser besides Cromite, however Cromite leaks a lot of data and has inherited fundamental Chromium issues, as Tor Project says.

https://divestos.org/pages/browsers

Moreover, Firefox can be hardened a lot with custom user.js configurations unlike Chromium browsers, and also happen to have full featured uBlock Origin as advantage.

Chromium security means nothing when it leaks data, is unfit for Tor Project and has privacy and anonymity problems. Firefox does not have those leakage and other issues, and allows full uBO functionality, hence is superior to Chromium browsers, both on desktop and mobile.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I also think the DivestOS project is pretty cool, as I use Mull daily and maintain my own custom addon collection from the time when Firefox didnt allow all installs. (I really have to clean that list up though, it has too many things).

Will look into it.

My knowledge is too that even "ungoogled Chromium" may not send data (so it doesnt have active antifeatures) but it is still not fingerprint protected.

Brave meanwhile is veeery bloated with weird stuff, which totally tells me that their focus cannot be that much on the privacy and security hardening.

Regarding Arkenfox, I maintain a small and pretty messy project to make it usable for daily usage changing only small bits.

I dont know percentages, but I remember most of it being one of these

  • "remove everything Mozilla"
  • remove actual tracking stuff
  • privacy hardening that may break sites
  • security hardening

So it is not mainly a security project but mainly privacy hardening to my knowledge. I agree with it mostly though, it is a great project.

Chromium has some flags and policies which are very limited though. The secureblue project has integrated all of them, and its still way worse than Arkenfox for privacy. There are JIT Exceptions though, not sure if this is available on Firefox, it was very hidden also for Chromium.

I also agree that manifest v3 is central Google control dystopia.

I have to say though

While DivestOS includes a Gecko based browser for privacy reasons, Chromium based browsers have many security advantages.

This makes little sense. If a Browser is not as secure as possible, it is not as private as possible. At least if you scale it. "The browser is like pretty secure, not the best available but okay, unless you are not targeted or something". What statement is that? We dont know if we are targeted.

So I appreciate if people say "this may not be the best for privacy, but we use the most secure base and try to make it privacy friendly" just like I respect people making hardened Firefox more secure.

Anti-fingerprinting on Android is very difficult because of GPU models, display size etc. According to GrapheneOS, Vanadium sends as little data as possible. And I believe them that. Not sure about other vectors of privacy, the lack of NoScript (granular JS control per origin) and UBO makes it unusable for me, along with strange UI for adding search engines or whitelisting cookies while whiping the others.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If a Browser is not as secure as possible, it is not as private as possible.

That applies vice-versa as well. Privacy is NOT a derivative of security, as Graphene loonies and idiots like madaidan would have you believe. This is one of the fundamental charlatan deeds "security" shills do in FOSS/privacy communities.

If Tor Project prefers Firefox over Chromium as base, then that simply means Firefox is superior for purposes of privacy, security and anonymity. Tor Project has hundreds or thousands of professionals that would make people like Brad Spengler and Micay look like a joke, as happened in the mailing lists in 2019, which made Micay invent lies to satisfy his ego and fanboy itches. He believes blindly in Google like a fanboy, which is the reason everything he does happens to support, fund and promote Google.

I avoid using a phone for anything remotely serious, and prefer a computer with the most common screen resolution and hardware for it. It depends on many factors what other measures I take, and I use Tor and I2P.

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