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this will always happen unless we move to FOSS
Hope we get some comparable options yet, I only know of matrix and that one allegedly has tons of security and performance issues.
Can you list some security/performance/feature comparison between matrix and discord? I don't have the need for these class of product, but I am trying to get the hype behind discord.
I don't know about discord issues, the hype behind is it mostly that it's free, very convenient, feature rich and can easily integrate bots. Its the go-to place to build communities nowadays.
Matrix issues that I read about can be seen here https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07 . I haven't done my own research tho so I don't know if all of this is (still) true
Almost all of those issues are due to federation. Lemmy shares most of them. Considering that we're on Lemmy, I'd say it's mostly a non-issue for us. Maybe use something else for encryption-required communications, but other than that it sounds fine to me.
Lemmy is a public forum, discord servers are usually for invite-only, more closed-off communities, and we're not talking about a lemmy replacement but rather how this is inadequate as a discord replacement.
That's true, but the vast majority of the issues aren't related to that. The majority of the issues in the article (if you read them you'd know) are about replication. They're about whether the timing of posts, deletions, bans, and things like that possibly not being replicated perfectly across all instances. Lemmy has the same issues, but I haven't noticed them causing problems yet. They would be even less of a problem in a private discord-like environment.
Just because I use Lemmy doesn't mean I was able to convince anyone of my social circle to join (with lack of content as the primary reason). Building communities requires users and a lack of those is an issue with many FOSS projects.
That's true. Unrelated to the issues in the article, but it is something that makes it hard to switch over.
Mattermost does most of the required discord features. (Pun intended)
Is open source and is selfhost-able. I think there are some SaaS hosters if you need them too.
Yeah, some of us tried to get our work to that but higher ups went with rocket chat.
It's often not the cost of the software, but the hosting costs, especially on a growing platform.
platforms can be peer to peer too, with maybe a cheaper to host tracker. i think its viable for a chat app, like matrix, for example.
overall yes though, i wonder when lemmy is gonna start having these issues, its still mostly run by unpaid volunteers....
I think it's why many decentralised platforms don't want very big instances, and prefer them to split off into smaller federated sites.