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Nelson Peltz, the activist investor agitating to win two Disney board seats, criticized the company’s “woke” strategy — specifically questioning Marvel’s “Black Panther” and “The Marvels,” which featured Black and women leads, respectively.

The 81-year-old Peltz, who has admitted he “never claimed” to have experience in the media business, made the comments about “The Marvels” and “Black Panther” in a recent interview with the Financial Times. “Why do I have to have a Marvel [movie] that’s all women?” Peltz asked rhetorically. “Not that I have anything against women, but why do I have to do that? Why can’t I have Marvels that are both? Why do I need an all-Black cast?”

“Black Panther” does not have an all-Black cast, nor does “The Marvels” have an all-female cast.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I see nothing wrong with all female or all PoC casts. Prey for instance (the Predator universe) has an excellent female lead and a great Native cast.

Also this guy is 81, why the hell is he trying to get on the Board of Disney? At that age, working would be the last thing I'd want to do.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Because "working" on a board might require about 10 hours a month of your time, if that. You attend a couple of meetings where people tell you what they are working on, and then approve or reject the decisions they have made. And then you make bank.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

For people like that power is everything.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I think Prey is the best predator movie of the bunch.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

I fucking love Prey. Such a good movie.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Personally I'd go:

  1. Predator
  2. Prey
  3. Predators
  4. Predator 2

And that's just those movies.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I actually think Prey is a fantastic prequel so you should definitely watch them in order.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Hey you put Predator 2 on there twice (lol)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's really good, but that's a stretch IMO.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I would agree, honestly. It transcends the basic action film format of previous films to tell a deeper story and still keep the action elements.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure that it really tells a deeper story tbh. What's the deeper story?

Story felt about the same as the original to me, maybe even a little shallower - if only because it rehashed the lore from the original. It's been a while since I watched it, though. I def do remember it being hampered by it's budget.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I would say the fact that our heroine has to deal with both the Predator and European colonizers while having to prove to her tribe that she is a warrior makes it a much deeper story.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Yes, and both the Predator and the colonizers are both murderous alien races with future technology that she must overcome.

I liked the juxtaposition there. I liked it even better than the first movie.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I forgot about those subplots tbh.

Prey, purely as an action movie, doesn't compare to predator. Given your points about the plot, your argument that prey is a deeper movie is fair. But it's not a deep movie, so I wonder how much I should care about the "deeper" plot points when it's still shallow overall. It's an action movie, after all.

And yeah, some of the CGI was laughably bad and will age terribly. Predator still holds up as one of the greatest actions flicks of all time.

Good discussion though.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

I would also suggest that just by being a movie about indigenous Americans without doing any "mystical Indian" bullshit alone makes it a deeper film just by showing their culture in a way that was closer to reality, while still hitting normal action film beats. And the CG doesn't bother me. CG films in the 90s can look awful and still be good.

Even before CG... Ghostbusters has some good effects and some god-awful ones. Like when Louis and Dana are transformed into hell hounds. It looks terrible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I wish we could do less of the " prove to the tirbe/other men the woman is wortht" and just have the heroine be on equal footing from the start.. I enjoyed prey but felt that plotline distracted too much from the other narratives. Just like in Alien Ripley is already well respected and does not have to prove herself to the others.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I can't agree there. Her proving herself, overcoming her fears and showing her warrior spirit is going straight down Joseph Campbell's hero's journey.