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Bell Curve Explanation:

  • Left Side: Some uninformed weirdo who thinks he can "own vegans [plant-based capitalism enjoyers]" by telling them this product isn't vegan because of something like the mayo it comes with or the fact that it shares a grill with beef burgers.
  • Middle: Someone who, either through ignorance or coping, thinks that endorsing plant-based capitalism can fall under veganism.
  • Right Side: A vegan who understands that PBC isn't vegan, and that's why such a burger wouldn't be vegan, especially with Impossible™'s animal testing controversies considered.
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I got told today I shouldn't raise kids because I'd purposefully raise them in a vegan household, without animal products of any sort. I was told this would be dangerous and unfair to the kids.

It was a weirdly direct thing for this person to say to me (one of my coworkers). It's stuck in my head. I was told I should let my potential children choose what sort of morals they have, even though this person is raising their kids Catholic. Their advice to me was to allow my potential kids to choose every night between a meat-based meal and a vegan meal (???). And several other coworkers agreed. Where do they come up with this? No carnist raises their kids like this.

So is anyone raising vegan kids or does anyone know about what it's like? Or was anyone here raised in a vegan household?

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I am fed up, I am disgusted, and I am disappointed.

This account I formerly followed (huge emphasis on the formerly) on Instagram made a series of "Are you two friends?" memes. This was one of the slides, and I, as a black vegan, am extremely uncomfortable with how the owner of this account, a queer and polyamorous woman of color who is, in fact, a carnist spoke on a commenter's concerns about this slide in the picture.

First of all, as you can see, the very first responder, @petitearisu is doing the whole "Veganism is classist." or "Veganism is inconsiderate of BIPOC struggles." excuse to further their own funding of animal slaughter, which makes them carnist trash the same way, but it's @decolonizing.love's response that I want to get at the most.

I am a poor, black vegan. If you all have seen my posts about my struggles, you all know that I've been unemployed and relying on mutual aid support to get by for a bit. Not fucking once, did it occur to me that I'd ever have to fund animal slaughter to feed myself during these trying times. If I wanted something cheap, legumes, rice, pasta, mushrooms, vegetables, and fruits always had my back. None of that stuff is even remotely expensive, but as far as @decolonizing.love goes:

FIRST OF ALL, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT WHATABOUTISM!

Because you are so upset that people show concern and moral agency for the cruel way animals are treated for the sake of human sensory pleasure, clothing, and convenience, your first response is to divert to making this about trees? What makes this whataboutism worse is that it's a false equivalence, and even then, it fails as a "dunk" on vegans.

False equivalence because respect for trees doesn't necessarily have anything to do with respect for sentient life, and it fails as a dunk or accusation against vegans because many vegans are extremely environmentally conscious, and as a matter of fact, you could argue that they're the most environmentally conscious. Animal agriculture is causing more harm to this planet than so many of the other dangers that performative environmentalists pretend to care about, but let's push this aside because this is just a small fraction of your pitiful comment. What I'm primarily concerned about is:

THE "MORAL RIGHTEOUSNESS" ACCUSATION

This is a classic carnist excuse. You accuse vegans of being pretentious to make yourself feel like they're not actually making a material impact to liberate animals. This is cope. This is just you coping with the fact that you cannot own up to your own shortcomings in the way you abuse animals for absolutely no damn good reason. It doesn't even solidify as an actual argument or any form of coherent rhetoric against veganism as a philosophy. It serves as ad hominem at best.

As a black vegan, your point about how BIPOC can "perpetuate white veganism's hypocrisy" concerns me. Just so you Hexbears know, I didn't respond to this comment on Instagram itself because I didn't want dozens of performative leftists dogpiling me over this shit. If I, as a leftist of color ever disagree with any of these people on anything, they'll accuse me of just what they're saying vegans of color can do: "perpetuating white hypocrisy". They'll call me a bootlicker and say I'm simping for white people when I'm fucking not. As a matter of fact, this association of "moral righteousness" they tie to being explicitly for white veganism is something I'd be the first to speak out against, and you know why?

A carnist of color is still a fucking carnist.


This is hypocritical of them, and it is to a strong degree. So much of this account is reminding white people that even whites who are a part of a marginalized group, such as gay white people, trans white people, white women, or neurodivergent white people, need to understand that they still hold a position of privilege that their whiteness puts them in. They really want to make it clear to these people that them being marginalized in ways beyond race does not excuse them being discriminatory, bigoted, or inconsiderate towards POC within similar struggles.

I agree with this, but are they not hypocritically engaging in the same thing? She is using her position as a queer woman of color to justify another form of oppression and hierarchical domination she just so happens to be okay with: speciesism.

And the audacity she has to label any pushback to this hypocrisy as a product of "white veganism" is disgusting to my black vegan ass.

HER SAYING THAT "WHITE VEGANS DON'T CARE ABOUT ANIMALS"

As if you'd know what it means to "care about animals" when you're the one demonstrating how little you care about them. There are so many principled vegans who are white. Yes, this doesn't absolve them of the blind spots their white privilege may put them in, but as I said, you being a queer POC doesn't absolve you of the blind spots that your carnism puts you in.

Once again, this is nothing but an excuse to say that white vegans are not "truly" as morally superior as you think they think they are, but it has never been about "moral superiority" in and of itself. Veganism is something we do for the animals, and you all should do so too, especially if you give a damn about dismantling hierarchies. If you are to have an issue with this whatsoever, please kindly examine this issue internally rather than externally. Vegans are not the problem. You being unable to cease your carnism absolutely fucking is, though!

"SINGLE-ISSUE ACTIVISM"

"There are more important issues to worry about!" may be one of the most disgusting copouts that oppressors use. This is done to drift away from the focus of an important issue within the scheme of oppression so that you can seem justified in not doing anything about it! News flash! You don't have to focus on a single issue at once! I'm a vegan, and as much as I care about animal liberation, you know what else I care about? I care about women's liberation, queer liberation, and uplifting people of color on top of dismantling capitalism and other oppressive and hierarchical structures! I talk about these individual issues where it's relevant, and that includes the fact that I talk about veganism where it's relevant.

Yes, veganism needs intersectionality, as all progressive moments do! But it's shameful that you're pretending to help with that. If you are a POC who isn't vegan, you have absolutely no trustworthy foundation to give a grand statement about veganism needing intersectionality. It doesn't impact you because, no matter how many vegans of color try to speak sense to you on this matter, I know for sure that you'd still stuff your face with carcasses and feel absolutely no fucking remorse in doing so.

At this point, non-vegan leftists are too much for me to put up with at all.

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Another one of my restaurants that i go to for vegan food sometimes (cooking is hard) unwittingly gave me food with meat in it. I struggle so much with cooking and long work hours, but fuck man.

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When I realized how much sense this analogy makes, it explained to me full well why libs are as frustrating as they are to me these days.

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A tale as old as time

Context: my friend was giving me an update about how someone at her workplace accused her of racism. As out of focus it seemed, I felt the need to address an odd part of her saying "I just prefer animals over people." in this misanthropic statement.

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And Instagram comments are a mistake.

I have engaged with this commenter who specifically went to a vegan account's post to "dunk" on vegans, and this carnist is trying so hard to use an appeal to popularity fallacy. They've used this fallacy THREE times, since their original comment has been up, and each time, I'm trying to explain to them, with examples even, why this isn't sound rhetoric. All that, and they just hit me with it again, and yes, this is serving as my clear indicator that I'm wasting my time with someone who's brain has been deep fried.

The comment was put up 4 days ago, and this carcass muncher keeps trying to embarrass himself, but he's still interacting with replies. The most recent time I'm referring to? Just a few hours ago, he responded to me, "Vegans are less than 1% of the world population but you believe you are the holy and enlightened ones.".

Listen, I understand some people are really, really, and I mean REALLY bad at rhetoric, but there is no way that you can shamelessly uphold an appeal to popularity fallacy this intensely and not have any awareness of how goofy (and not in the good way) it makes you look, especially when this has been refuted each time you pulled it.

Instagram commenters tend to be like this with a lot of things, but omnis, virtually anywhere you can find them, seem to be extra guilty of this because they need to grasp at straws to justify such abhorrent practices that I feel like they, at the very least, subconsciously know are wrong. They refuse to acknowledge the wrongness because it'd make them come off as either a hypocrite or someone who actually feels more obligated to live up to their awareness and follow through with a lifestyle they deem "inconvenient".

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Me: literally wishing that everyone on this planet were vegan so that animals were treated better, I'd have more people to relate to, and I'd have more people that I'd actually feel comfortable with dating

Veganism makes me feel more of a weirdo, an outcast, and reserved actually.

🥺

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thonk

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On a walk home, I just took a peek at the menu of this local Caribbean place that says it has a "vegan" chipotle aioli. I looked at all the ingredients, and while it confirms that it does, in fact, use vegan mayonnaise, it said it had honey! And this place is actively labeling it as a vegan product! To be fair, at least they list the ingredients, but calling it vegan is wrong and misleading. Now, I like to read all ingredient lists on everything, but imagine a vegan reading the phrasing "vegan chipotle aioli" and thinking it sounds so good that they just glance right over the smaller details and order it not knowing it has honey. And furthermore, would it kill them to use agave or maple syrup?

This is giving me the anxiety that there could be places who do shit like this without even telling you what the ingredients are. That kind of paranoia makes me eat out a lot less to begin with which, in hindsight, is a good thing anyway.

The in-person menu explicitly lists it as vegan, but this is what the entry looks like on their website:

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Excellent new video by Dr. Michael Greger with a fair and balanced analysis of the real world reasons why people are so confused about nutrition, and why there is so much food disinformation directing people away from plant based diets.

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What is the vegan stance on working animals?

For example, a farm I used to work at had a number of cats hanging around the barn that would kill mice and rats, similar to ship cats.

Another farm I worked at had a dog that would roam the fields killing various birds and rodents.

And of course the thing that brought this up for me is horses. It's not super common like it used to be, but horses (or other pack animals) are still used for transport in many instances, such as to get supplies to remote locations. Also I believe pack animals are also still pretty common in many rural areas of developing countries.

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Person the other week noticed I was wearing vegan Doc Martens (the tags are white for vegan shoes). I know they're polyurethane, which isn't great, but I'd prefer that over animal skin on my feet. This person was apparently also a vegan, but says they prefer wearing leather (what) because in their words "Animal leather is biodegradable, lasts longer, and is a by-product of the already existing meat industry." making the point that animal leather has less of an environmental impact.

I didn't know how to respond at all. I know veganism isn't simply consumption habits but it did make me feel weird. I still don't think anyone should wear leather.

Does anyone have advice? I'm just feeling weird and self-conscious now

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When I see an omni say "Consuming animal products is wrong, but I still do it anyway.", I immediately consider them a more level-headed person than most who go through all types of batshit insane mental gymnastics to provide some off-the-wall, arbitrary, failed attempt at logic to say that "coNSUMING ANimal PrODuCts Is tOTally OKAy BRo!!!"

Obviously, this is just for my sake of finding the honest omnis less insufferable to put up with when I bring up that I'm vegan. However, I won't forget that, in practice, they're still exploiting animals the same, and I hope they come to put the acknowledgement of their hypocrisy into practice as soon as they can.

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In the Russian region of Astrakhan, near the Caspian Sea, the regional government has approved spending 224 million rubles (~2.5 million EUR) to kill stray dogs. According to the new law, dogs caught on the streets will be placed in temporary shelters for only 15 days and then killed. When the same government rejected the proposal of the program to catch dogs for permanent placement in shelters, they argued that there was not enough money in the regional budget. But now, when the new program to kill dogs was approved, money was immediately found. Many local volunteers say that the regional government is in tight connection with the interests of the company that won the tender to kill the dogs. And they sabotaged all other options, for example, in 2019 they failed to spend even 70% of the money for the sterilization program. In 2022 all the money was sent to the private company, which did almost nothing. Some managers of this company were sentenced to prison, but the money was gone and the beneficiaries escaped punishment. This is how corruption and human greed kill innocent dogs.

A link the the same text in Telegram channel of one of Russian non commercial fund helping animals Givers of the Hope "Дарящие надежду"

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Written by a PSL comrade of mine rat-salute-2

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in case anyone was wondering

trans-vegan

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im-vegan

it's actually been 121 months, and i just realized bc I was thinking about other stuff that was going on in my life at the time and it occurred to me that it was a whole ass decade ago.

not asking for praise or anything, just sharin. need to let you all know that im-vegan

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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
 

Hey there comrades, I'm so tired of trying to find toothpaste that seemingly doesn't exist. It really doesn't feel like I'm asking all that much. All I want is:

  1. Vegan
  2. Contains fluoride (is toothpaste, in other words)
  3. Not "whitening" (abrasive)

I don't care what flavor, how much it costs, what other horrific cancer-causing compounds it might contain. I literally just want vegan toothpaste that doesn't contain hydrated silica or other abrasives and isn't pretend-toothpaste. Why is that so hard?

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every day I make a vegan dish at work that ends up taking like 1/3rd of my time and every day maybe like 1/5th of it gets eaten, well guess what fuckers? I'm saving some of it from now on to give to the lunch shift vegan chef, saving her work and tricking potentially dozens of vegan kids into eating my delicious fucking leftovers

yeah, mm, yeah, tell me again how good my day old chickpea and potato curry was, motherfucker, you shoulda tried it last night

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What the fuck is the 'authentic experience' of a chicken nugget that seitan is incapable of replicating, anyways? Also the burger patties I ate in school as a cringe baby carnist were 60% TVP soy to begin with, so if anything I'm being even more honest with my frozen slabs now

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Where do I find cheap firm tofu online? Costco used to be $1.25 a block for the good stuff but now is like $1.60 for less than a pound of "firm" that crumbles if you look at it funny. Every other local store has even worse prices, even Chinatown. I am ready to just give up and buy 40 pounds online or something. I eat a block of tofu for dinner most days (or I would, if it was cheap and good again).

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  • Today - Artichoke Jalapeno Pizza & Pear Pie
  • Tomorrow - Scalloped Potatoes, Salad, and bread
  • Friday- Tofu Schnitzel mashed potatoes and gravy.
  • Saturday- Tofu Chutney Chipotle Sandwich & Carrot Cake (carrots from the garden <3 )
  • Sunday- Lentil Taquitos
  • Monday- Sunflower Seed cheesy pasta, Cookies
  • Tuesday- TVP Sausage Patty Sandwiches
  • Wednesday- Lentils & Rice
  • Thursday- Sunflower Seed Cheesy Pasta
  • Friday-Red beans and rice

Add in potatoes & popcorn as snacks, we make big meals so i always have leftovers to eat the next day.

it's so hard being vegan eating delicious food every day :'(

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If you want a tasty breakfast but, like me, you're a lazy asshole who doesn't want to put any actual effort into it, then this one's for you.

You will need: Sliced bread, vegetable butter, sugar, cinnamon

  • Toast the bread
  • Melt the butter on stovetop or in microwave
  • While waiting on the above, mix 3 parts sugar with 1 part cinnamon
  • Once the bread is toasted and the butter melted, pour it over the toast (this will help the cinnamon sugar stick)
  • Pour on the cinnamon sugar
  • Enjoy
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