if where you draw the line on what counts as integral to a narrative is that arbitrary, why not just toss jedi too?
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A retcon would be “actually Snoke isn’t the main villain, he’s just a clone created by Palpatine.”
by the logic you're using, that still wouldn't be a retcon, because it would've been the intention the entire time
i'm also stunned you think anything about "he turns the lightsaber to face his TRUE ENEMY" was well handled
if for some reason you believe it's impossible for a film to retcon things, why not just save us both some time by opening with that, rather than having this pointless little back and forth?
it's a really weird time to argue for death of the author when we're talking more or less specifically about directorial intent and we have the interviews from people involved
it's also kind of weird to argue for death of the author while also insisting the emperor was only established in 5, when he's mentioned multiple times in 4
It’s impossible for 8 to have undercut 7’s core themes, because 7 doesn’t have any.
i'm not sure i'm the salty one here
by the logic you seem to be using, 9 also didn't undo anything 8 did, which is patently absurd
setting up a character to serve as a villain for three films then killing them off partway through the second is very clearly different than setting up a character to server as a villain for three films then killing them off at the end of the third film
by the logic you seem to be using, 9 also didn't undo anything 8 did, which is patently absurd
who's kevin
si stands for sabsolutely inot
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snoke as the overarching villain
wow that was difficult
The flip side of that though is just you end up with detective shows and spy shows and soap operas, in space, with a splash of sci-fi paint thrown over them.
jedi are literally samurai with a splash of sci-fi paint
Jedi and Sith are a unique storytelling point, and there hasn’t been enough about their conflict with each other, and by that I mean whole organization versus whole organization wise, and them manipulating the larger politics of the various systems and so forth to their cause, etc.
you're describing the overarching plot of the prequels
The Sith as a large organization hasn’t been seen in movies or tv, only in games.
the rule of two kind of makes that impossible
Rogue One at times feels more like Star Wars than the original trilogy, and doesn't have a single Jedi in it.
Your measurement for what counts as "Star Wars" seems pretty arbitrary. 4 would be essentially the same movie even without the presence of any Jedi.