absolute bullshit, it burns more in carbon to run those machines than it takes out, this is making shit worse at an accelerated pace

Part of it is due process, but it also means you have the right to not be killed by the actions of the government without being found guilty of a crime.

indeed, the only solution is revolution

but in the specific context of the US, where there is nothing outside of the electoral circus -- it's already started -- a candidate can do a lot to open people's eyes, supposedly sanders radicalized a lot of folks and let's not forget Vermin Supreme

and that's kindof where I want to go with this, is a kind of anti campaign because West really ain't playing by the rules in the traditional sense, he's basically calling for the abolition of capitalism itself.

it's like 'milquetoast' is really part of the vernacular, most people will hear 'milktoast' and that's fine, I've been trying to come up with some kind of meme involving a pun on milktoast and liberals, it will come i guess.

Yes and no, I have had a handful of people on the internet personally insult me ( call me a fascist russian agent etc. ) Every person I've talked to in real life sees West running as a positive, including both my Liberal and Conservative family members. Most people I know on fedi are not against him so far as very skeptical, and I don't blame them, but I'm betting that as momentum builds more people will take the hopium.

Here's an an excellent one from a podcast called The Mau Mau Hour , who seem to be some kind of Marxists, they ask some really probing questions here's one that surprised me.

Host: What is your preferred economic Model? Are you a Democratic Socialism?

Wste says he doesn't put too much emphasis on lables but "of course I'm a socialism" and that he believes in "workers control" and "bottom up socialism" then he says this:

In the socialist tradition I would be closer to council communists than vanguard communists, you know "the Soviets Without Bolshevicks" that was what happened at the Kronstadt rebellion when they were Crushed. Soviets were workers organizations so that the vanguard parties were imposing their will upon the workers organizations so that the workers councils got crushed, So people like Pannekoek...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOW0_V5FIRE

leftcoms for Cornel West!

i don't think whitehouse dot gov is the best source for this lmao

Yeah it goes way back to the early days of lemmy, and it should be said that the the main Lemmy developers have from the begining been very welcoming to anarchists, have encouraged and helped anarchists run instances, and generally been very diplomatic and comradely despite obvious ideological differences.

Contrast that with the raddle people who were hostile from the begging and I think still are even opposed to the idea of federation itself -- an irony many have pointed out, anarchists being against decentralization -- the take that 'federation is just a fad' could be said 5 years ago but definitely not now. I think the raddle people are just really attached to their platform postmill and the dev never intended to do federation.

A problem with the whole ML milieu, is you have more serious Marxist-leninists who have very nuanced views of marxism, and are critical of Stalin or Mao and the like, are willing to work with people who disagree with them, and then you have people who call themselves ML's who are really red fash i.e. think Putin is great -- some non-zero number of these people are probably russian or chinese bots, let's be real.

Before lemmygrad all the tankiest* tanks were on the main lemmy.ml and they were were just a bunch of meanies. It's like every day was Tianamen Square ( which is like Christmas in tankistan ) so if you were an anarchist they'd harass the fuck out of you, so this fed into the idea that the "friendly* attitude of the admin's was just a ploy to fuck with anarchists, like a "beware of bolsheviks bearing gifts" type situation and anarchist were being led into some kind of virtual kronstadt. But as time went on the platform grew and those little commissars were gulaged into lemmygrad and that became less of a problem.

And to be fair, anarchists have these kind of liabilities too, like eco extremists and ted k fanboys. And lo and behold they all have accounts on raddle.me

*and no i don't just call everyone a tankie, but if you just love Stalin and dedicate endless hours of your life "debunking" the holodomor, yes, you're a tankie lol

listening to that right now lol, the new episode on evolutionary psychology is great

I love how it's both very well researched and thoughtful but also genuinely funny and creative and entertaining.

Did they say that Ross Perot was a threat to the constitutional order? I find that unlikely, they certainly didn't make this much noise about it the year before the election.

And yes, everyone who disagrees with you is a Putin bot -- speaking of the early 90's, do you remember see how Clinton supported Yeltsin's coup which directly paved the way for Putin to take power in the first place? Of course, Bill couldn't have known that, but maybe the lesson here is we shouldn't be supported coup's in other countries, ya know, overthrowing democracies and putting fascists in power. That's bad right?

You should try understanding where the other person is coming from before accusing them of being brainwashed by their government.

Have you ever looked at the so-called Political Compass? There's a 'left to right' axis and an 'authoritarian to libertarian' axis https://www.politicalcompass.org/ So you can be authoritarian and leftist according to them (there is a hidden bias in the test, towards libertarian socialism)

I'm not even saying that, I'm coming at this from more of a 'post-left anarchist' perspective, that there is no 'leftism' as such but what is left or right is a relative historical development, so otherwise contradictory movements end up being lumped together as 'leftists' by historical accident, but they still end up influencing each other, so for example marxism has historically influenced anarchism and vise versa.

You're saying there is some ahistorical 'true' leftism that's objective and indistinguishable from anarchism. You can also just say "anarchism is cool" and I would agree with you and we can not have this pointless argument. see also no true scotsman fallacy

okay so, just like in spatial terms, left and right are relative, right? There's no objective left or right, there is no left or right side of the planet earth, right?

So for example there is a left of the Democratic Party, like AOC, but they are only left relative to the rest of the Party. So what is meant by left wing of Wall Street are the relative left leaning capitalists, i.e. bourgeois liberals

Left and right are also relative historically, what may be considered far to the left or right at one point and history may later on be reversed.