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tl;dr The expert's recommendation is "to make moving out of the region a goal."

How making $300,000 in San Francisco can still mean you're living paycheck-to-paycheck

Dec. 7, 2021

Editor's note: This story originally ran in 2019, but has been updated with 2021 figures.

With the median price of a home in the U.S. at $300,000, you can can achieve homeownership and the idealized middle-class lifestyle in most parts of the country making a salary just under or above six figures.

In San Francisco's land of $2 million fixer-uppers, the income needed to reach this status is obviously more. But how much more?

S.F.-based finance expert Sam Dogen pinned that number at $300,000, after surveying dozens of readers on his Financial Samurai blog and asking about their incomes and expenses living in the notoriously high-priced coastal cities.

With their feedback, Dogen broke down the budget of a couple with one to two children in San Francisco, Seattle or New York. He found $300,000 is the income necessary to put something away for retirement, save for your child's education, own a three-bedroom home, take three weeks of vacation a year and retire by a reasonable age.

"It's not an extravagant lifestyle," Dogen says. "It's a middle-class lifestyle if you consider a middle-class person should be able to afford a modest home, have at least one car, have a kid or two. There are no private jets in this budget."

Dogen has put together a detailed post where you'll find analysis and explanation on each expense, but here are a few points to note:

  • The $29,400-a-year childcare expense takes into consideration a babysitting rate of about $20 an hour, the standard charge in a city such as San Francisco. Preschool easily costs $18,000 to $20,000 a year in metro areas.

  • The mortgage is based on a $1.5 million, 1,750-square-foot, three-bedroom, two-bathroom home on a 2,500-square-foot lot.

  • The car expenses are based on a single car that accommodates a family.

  • Entertainment expenses include everything from Netflix to tickets to an occasional ball game to date night, which easily costs $200 in San Francisco when you consider expense for dinner and babysitting.

Dogen adds that at $300,000, a family is still living paycheck-to-paycheck and not saving outside their 401K and 529 plans.

"We're in this perpetual grind in San Francisco, and it's a city for people who are willing to hustle," he says. "At one point in the past, $300,000 was a lot of money. Now at this amount, you're probably always going to end up working a long time and having a constant struggle to keep up."

His recommendation is to make moving out of the region a goal.

"There's a moving truck shortage in places like San Francisco because so many people are moving out of this expensive city and other expensive coastal cities," he writes. "If you live in an expensive metropolitan area, consider relocating to lower your cost of living or at least try and take advantage of the valuation differential by investing in Middle America.

"Thanks to technology, there's no need to grind so hard in cities where the median home price is over $1 million."

 
 
 

Reddit condom joke...

At the Olympics it's always exciting when someone comes from behind.


"Organizers say athletes should take the condoms home as souvenirs..."

Athletes At The Tokyo Olympics Are Being Given Condoms, And Warnings Not To Use Them

Organizers of this year's Olympics in Tokyo are putting a new meaning behind "look, but don't touch."

The Games are ordinarily a place where many of the young athletes mix, mingle, and naturally get very close.

As they have since the 1980s, organizers ordered thousands of condoms for athletes to safely hook up in Tokyo. To be specific, Japanese organizers ordered 160,000 condoms to be handed out to athletes in the Olympic Village.

But because of the COVID-19 pandemic, Tokyo organizers also want participants to refrain from any kind of intimate physical activity outside of their sport.

That means: Those condoms we gave you? Don't use them — at least not while you're inside the Olympic bubble.

Organizers say athletes should take the condoms home as souvenirs, and use them to raise awareness for HIV and AIDS. But under no uncertain terms are participants to use them, or engage in any one-on-one philandering, while they are in Japan for the Games, organizers said.

The topic may elicit a giggle, but the penalties athletes face if they violate these rules are serious, as are the reasons for implementing them.

Athletes are under strict coronavirus protocols, as Tokyo and other regions of Japan are under a state of emergency due to COVID-19. They must follow social distancing guidelines and abide by bans on handshakes, high fives, and other types of physical, close contact, according to the rulebook.

Any participant who violates the rules could face fines, disqualification, and the loss of Olympic medals if they're found to be repeat offenders. If athletes choose to flout the rules on intimacy, they'll also have to contend with the small cardboard-frame beds that are provided to Olympians.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

My question is: How long as he been an asshole? 10 years? 20 years? A lot longer? His entire adult life?

One reason Dawkins is the way he is - must be that he's one of those old people who gets worse with age and he's 80 years old.

He had a huge feud with the evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould. Gould died in 2001. I know hardly anything about the feud other than they really hated each other. It was more than an argument about ideas. It was personal. I also don't know how religious Gould was. That might have had something to do with it too.


Ninja edit

I stumbled upon this a minute ago...

Dawkins vs. Gould

Dawkins vs. Gould: Survival of the Fittest is a book about the differing views of biologists Richard Dawkins and Stephen Jay Gould by philosopher of biology Kim Sterelny. When first published in 2001 it became an international best-seller.

The page is way too long for me to scan easily so I said the hell with it. I hate it when a Wikipedia page is exactly on the subject I'm interested in but the page is probably of little value. I'm interested in the vituperation not the science.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (4 children)

I'm also an atheist. And if clarity is needed online I write "I'm just an atheist. I'm not a New Atheist asshole like Richard Dawkins."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

I can imagine Dawkins walking down an isolated country road. He gets started when he turns a corner and a woman in hijab runs up to him. She pleads with with him....

"My husband has had a heart attack. I have no phone. Please call 999!"

"If you admit God does not exist - I shall..."

 

Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins)

Kafka's Metamorphosis is called a major work of literature. Why? If it's SF it's bad SF. If, like Animal Farm, it's an allegory, an allegory of what? Scholarly answers range from pretentious Freudian to far-fetched feminist. I don't get it. Where are the Emperor's clothes?

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