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Shell Is Immediately Closing All Of Its California Hydrogen Stations | The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can't make its operations work here. in c/[email protected]

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I have an Outlander and I'm also getting more range than advertised specs. My issue with batteries isn't defects in tech, but the stage of its development. There are simply no batteries that can even come close to energy storage capacity of hydrogen and unlike with gas (12-30%), hydrogen's conversion efficiency when using fuel cell is ~60%.

Shell Is Immediately Closing All Of Its California Hydrogen Stations | The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can't make its operations work here. in c/[email protected]

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

My argument is it is wrong tech because of current state of development of batteries. Slow charging, low energy capacity, heavy weight, using dangerous chemicals, etc.

I'm one of those people - I have an EV, but I wish I had a hybrid that has a tiny, light battery for ~50 miles of city driving I can charge at home and a proper size hydrogen tank I can use to travel as far as I want.

I stand by my argument that we should have invested heavily in hydrogen cars and infrastructure. Batteries will inevitably make it into cars as their development progresses. They are just not the right tech now.

Shell Is Immediately Closing All Of Its California Hydrogen Stations | The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can't make its operations work here. in c/[email protected]

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I already have an EV and I still think batteries in them are shit. These are not mutually exclusive.

Shell Is Immediately Closing All Of Its California Hydrogen Stations | The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can't make its operations work here. in c/[email protected]

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I get it, but cost is irrelevant if it is produced using green power that would otherwise be wasted anyway from overproduction.

Shell Is Immediately Closing All Of Its California Hydrogen Stations | The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can't make its operations work here. in c/[email protected]

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Right, except you can put several gas cans in your trunk in this extreme scenario.

Shell Is Immediately Closing All Of Its California Hydrogen Stations | The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can't make its operations work here. in c/[email protected]

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I'm talking about public infra, not charging at home since most people cannot charge at home. Almost the same amount of infra is required since current capacities are nowhere near sufficient. So it has everything to do with people jumping on wrong tech and money being wasted on useless infra.

The fact that firefox updates when I open it instead of when I close it. Has to be the most annoying feature ever. in c/[email protected]

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Went not just disable automatic updates? Update when you have time for it.

Shell Is Immediately Closing All Of Its California Hydrogen Stations | The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can't make its operations work here. in c/[email protected]

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It isn't arbitrary. Just a simplified example of stored energy to weight ratio.

Infra would show up if people didn't jump on wrong tech just like electric charging infra is starting to show up.

Shell Is Immediately Closing All Of Its California Hydrogen Stations | The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can't make its operations work here. in c/[email protected]

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yes it does. If you cannot generate electricity at home, all those points are moot.

Shell Is Immediately Closing All Of Its California Hydrogen Stations | The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can't make its operations work here. in c/[email protected]

[–] [email protected] -2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Most people in the world cannot put solar panels on their roof today. Even if you exclude all the places people don't own cars I still think my statement will be true.