[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Well, see. I like to call out folk like this, to get their justifications out in the open. Sunlight being the best disinfectant and all.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Honest question. In your opinion, what purpose do colleges serve in society?

[-] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago

That's a good question. Unfortunately we're living in interesting times.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

That's a lot of strawmanning you're doing on behalf of Nazis.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 9 hours ago

Have we ever had a presidential candidate swap, and then a VP swap in the same election year before?

[-] [email protected] 13 points 20 hours ago

You can mock and deride them in media of course. But when a Nazi asks about violence you always respond with language they understand.

[-] [email protected] 33 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

That's not the nature of my argument. You're talking about an escalation of violence. I'm talking about preventing them from entering cultural space in the first place. I could spend days listing the proof that there are Nazis in our police and armed forces. That leftists are often the only ones targeted by police.

I'm talking about direct interpersonal conversation and action.

Those guys in lifted trucks are useful idiots.

I open carry at counter protests, I open carry at Drag Story Time. I often have to have long protracted discussions with the police when I protest. Mostly about my protect trans kids and TERF Elimination Squad morale patches and what loadout I have. I am often silent during chants at the protests I attend.

However I've never seen direct instigation from counter protesters like you're describing, directed at me. They tend to focus on the vocal protestors. I stand next to the megaphone with ear pro on. I try to move slowly and predictably.

I'm not there to return fire. I'm not there to keep any peace. I'm absolutely not there to instigate or escalate anything.

This is only my personal experience and means nothing. I am not suggesting this is a useful or necessary act. I'm not encouraging anyone to do this. I never bring a concealed weapon. I always coordinate with the organizers of the event or the protest. I will happily leave if asked however I've never been asked before or after to not attend. I only carry at the protest and do not bring weapons into planning spaces or enclosed areas.

Edit: Since I started going a couple few have joined me. There are much more yelling contests now. But there's no shoving or pulling or fighting over flags and signs anymore. I really hope in a couple years shit mellows out and I can chant again. "Bottoms Tops we all hate cops!" Is a newer one I really like.

[-] [email protected] 163 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Fascists don't respond to logic or reasoning, they know only violence so you should speak to them in a language they understand

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00131857.2018.1519772

Violence in a vacuum? Deplorable. Violence against a person preaching or encouraging violence? Questionable. Violence against a known fascist? Absolutely acceptable.

Fascists hide in the grey areas of free speech and often make arguments, much like this post OP, that twist ethics to support their rhetoric.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/19/544641070/explaining-again-thenazis-true-evil

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functionalism%E2%80%93intentionalism_debate

You may want to investigate the original author of the anarchist cookbook William Powell. He later wanted to remove the book from publication.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/William-Powell-American-writer

Also please do not follow any of the recipes, especially the match head bomb as they're all a great way to lose fingers

So in conclusion, considering your original points sound similar to the historical defense of fascists, and that book looks to carry the language of fascists.

How serious is the author of that book about not getting punched?

[-] [email protected] 9 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Maybe so high pitched it's out of the hearing range of most humans

[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

Outrage drives engagement. Been a tactic since the printed word but goddamn if it didn't explode after CNN and Reagan in the 80's

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

But....why?

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This isn't about immediately filtered content, like the disgusting DuffMan George Floyd meme, or Holocaust denial. That's pretty well kept in check by mod tools. I'm also not talking about cogent or even pointed political discussion.

I'm not even talking about necessarily in this community directly, however in a lot of other spaces I've noticed a lot of accounts using divisive language and terms like "The ineffectual left" "single issue voters" "ignorant right wing morons". Lots of straw man arguments, lots of willful ignorance.

I'm not a centrist, I'm very very very far left however I know well enough not to patently dismiss the talking points of others, outside of course calls to genocide. I know what dog whistles sound like, and I'm hearing a lot of them lately.

Most egregiously I'm seeing very long form post replies that read very much like what is generated from LLMs.

So I guess my question is, how're we all fairing with what might be the largest Turing test ever?

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