Westwolf

Thank you for proving my point.

Do you really think that's a fair assessment of what "MAGA" have been doing for the past 8 years? Maybe the last 4 years, but they were hardly saying such things when their boy was in office.

Actually, I don't care. What I really want to know is what your point is? "They do it, so it's okay if we do it?" They are, for the most part, a bunch of reactionaries. Trump's base is largely uneducated, lower-middle-class white Christians who don't understand why liberals are radically deconstructing Western civilization around their ears and are terrified of the Brave New World liberals are ushering in. They are reacting out of fear, panic, and resentment towards a cultural elite that considers them ignorant rabble that needs to be told to shut the fuck up, rather than educated -- and often it appears that the cultural elite doesn't want to explain itself because whenever it tries, it's so obviously intellectually bankrupt that even the uneducated rabble can see right through it.

Shouldn't you be better than that? Isn't that your whole premise? That you're smarter than them?

The question was glib nonsense. It's not about how one reacts to any individual thing Trump does, especially not when that thing is itself a reaction to the larger context of the liberal/left reaction to Trump's mere existence.

what I didn’t say - and what I was clearly referring to with that quote you’ve pulled about me not saying a thing - is that I don’t view them as human, as you insinuated I said. if that’s your interpretation, you are incorrect.

I said "You’re utterly incapable of even considering people who disagree with you as fully human." What I meant is that you see them as "actively proud of being gullible, stupid, victims to their celebrities," which portrays them as less than fully human. You are viewing them as caricatures of people, not as people.

i doubt it too, because there is a constant fundamental disconnect between what conservatism purports to be and what it actually practices. I doubt it’s possible for you to explicate it either in a way that isn’t immediately contradicted with the actions taken by your leaders and community, too.

Conservative ideology emphasizes the preservation of traditional institutions, values, and practices, advocating for a cautious approach to change. It values individual responsibility, limited government intervention, free-market economics, and the protection of personal freedoms. Conservatives often stress the importance of maintaining social order, national security, and a strong sense of community and cultural heritage. They believe that established traditions and institutions are time-tested and should be upheld to ensure societal stability and continuity.

Any contradictions are likely explained by a liberal's misunderstanding of the concept of personal freedoms, which is best understood as the freedom to act within the bounds of moral behavior. Because conservatives value sanctity and liberals do not (see Haidt), liberals are often confused why conservatives can claim to value freedom while seeking to repress sacrilegious activities.

i’m sleepy so let’s wrap it up like you all like to do: This has been fun, thanks for taking the L.

When you have to declare premature victory, you are only making it obvious you can't defend yourself.

This is ironic considering how many liberals will spend their last days left alone in a state-run nursing home because they didn't have children. Assuming the government hasn't fully embraced euthanizing senior citizens by then.

What a powerful argument. Not at all the reaction of an arrogant, elitist, hypocritical crybully.

I’ve said and believe nothing of the sort.

So you didn't say "They’re actively proud of being gullible, stupid, victims to their celebrities?" Because it's right there on my screen and I was able to copy and paste it from your comment, which shouldn't be possible if you didn't say it.

this doesn’t surprise me at all. your entire political ideology would collapse if you didn’t unconditionally loathe someone.

You're projecting. It's your political ideology that is based on unconditional hatred. I doubt you could even begin to explicate the conservative ideology in broad strokes, let alone specifics. Like many liberals, you think conservatism is entirely an expression of bigotry and closed-mindedness. That is a deeply ignorant and self-congratulatory belief that people like you cling to because it prevents you from questioning your own ideology, and is, in fact, an expression of your own close-minded bigotry.

I actively try to remember there’s a real person with a rich internal life on the other end

Wow, You have really pulled the wool over your own eyes. You reduce everyone on the right to idiots who are proud to be gullible victims, and then pretend you try to think of your political enemies as people with actual internal lives? No you don't. Stop bullshitting yourself.

Kind of missing the point there, bub.