VentraSqwal

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I mean, some did. With special visas and stuff. That still means they're occupied.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Don't forget filled with the constant sound of drones to the point people can't sleep or study, a majority of their water isn't drinkable, they don't control their own trash, and they restricted the amount of calories into their to be the bare minimum at one point.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (9 children)

The difference is that he didn't accept the peaceful transition of power at all. And they're at it again with their new Project 2025, they're aiming for fascism.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Israel hasn't actually wanted a two state solution since Rabin. They pretend to offer it then withdraw it the second something goes wrong, which they goad into happening on purpose by doing things like continuing increasing West Bank occupations while negotiating, or propping up Hamas to do a terrorism while negotiating, so they have an excuse to stop negotiations.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

It's getting very I'm Sorry To Bother You up in here.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

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Somebody should cross post this there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

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Somebody should cross post this there.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I like this. It's applicable basically everywhere nowadays.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Now we can't even buy property at $150k without being called out for making bad choices? Holy shit the working class is lowering their expectations way too much.

People used to be able to have a house, a car, hobbies, have medical help, all the house appliances, and yearly vacations on one income at some mindless factory job. Expect more, people. Demand more. You only can't have it because the rich are hoarding everything and stealing your money. Don't shrug and take it. Don't criticize others for expecting it. Fucking demand it for yourself. It's your work making them rich.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Ah I see. Thanks again!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Holy strawman! I never said all the Israelis have to leave. I said they should share the land, like every other developed country in the world that has black people and white people that live in the same areas, or natives and immigrants, etc. I'm not against immigration, I'm against using it as manpower to violently disposess natives and sweep people from their homes, then giving the immigrants better rights while pushing the people who lived there to smaller and farther areas until you get all their land. You know, settler colonialism. Just give everyone the same rights and protections.

There's a reason there's only 20% Palestinian Israelis. They were all violently kicked out, then kept in these small, dense settlements of Gaza and the West Banks, and they need special citizenship and passports to travel to Israel or even from one to the other.

I was talking about the nakba, but the West Bank settlements also applies, I suppose. We can call them illegal, but Netanyahu has christened a bunch of them despite what the international community thinks, and it's still happening.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Really good write up! I appreciate the effort put into it.

It is really sad the persecution of Jewish people, and I definitely sympathize. But the only part I want to clarify is that you kind of glossed over the nakba in that part where the British stopped holding the peace. If it was just a small continuous trickle of Jewish refugees into Palestine, no one would have a problem with it, except for the normal anti-immigration folks. But it's that part where you decide to give part of the country away and then the violent disposession of people from their homes to enforce it that seems wrong, and should ring familiar with those who know about the genocide of the Indians in the US.

But I blame the British and UN, too. They're the ones who offered to cut pieces away from a country to offer to the immigrants. It's like if your landlord came in and said you're going to have to rent one of your bedrooms to his nephew, and even though you're the one who lives there and pays rent, you can't argue because he's the landlord.

And I even understand the desire to secure a homeland at all costs after such a huge, terrible event of the holocaust. But that doesn't mean I agree with it, and the consequences continue to reverberate to this day show partly why. Working for peace and seeing the signs of fascism to prevent it from happening again is the answer, not a might makes right apartheid ethnostate. There's some lesson here about violence leading to violence.

Black people have gone through their own shit here in the United States, and while some people have suggested just leaving the country and making their own place in Africa, I think Martin Luther King, Jr's dream was a much better idea (seriously, read the history of Liberia, it's filled with violence and oppression towards the natives followed by them rising up, and then civil wars even into the 2000's). Just make the place here the kind of place that's better. And while it's not perfect, it's way better than it used to be, and I think he was proven right.

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