I’m not a fan of any of the Kelvin films other than “Beyond”, but not because of the quality of the acting. It is wild to me that you’re willing to disparage the performances of talented and hard working people just to shit some movies you don’t care for. Clown nonsense.
I enjoyed this issue of Echoes more than the previous installments, but it still isn't doing much for me. Guggenheim seems to be cramming as many character flourishes -- little Kirkisms, and Spockisms, and McCoyisms -- into the issues as he can, and it makes the characters read like parodies of themselves. Also, the art has not grown on me at all.
I did like the opening scene with the Federation President though.
Which main cast actors in those movies do you feel aren’t particularly talented?
I like more new Trek than I dislike. Hell, I like SNW well enough.
I’m just opposed to the idea that because I’m in a specific age demographic that this particular iteration of Trek should be particularly special.
I would suspect it's because everyone has their own, individual tastes, and even for the people who prefer PRO, most of them don't feel the childish need to disparage another show they like less or dislike.
Personally I'm loving both the Star Trek ongoing, and Star Trek: Defiant. I haven't read the Dog of War series at all though.
If you're looking for DS9 content specifically, Star Trek: Defiant might not scratch that itch for you. It's got Worf, and it's got the Defiant, but that's it. The rest of the crew are characters from other series.
Star Trek is the book about Sisko returning from sojourning with the Prophets. There's definitely some interconnectedness between the to titles, though.
What agenda do you feel Disco is trying to further?
As a fellow Gen X, I feel like SNW is...perfectly fine. If you went to the Star Trek store and walked up to the counter and said, "One Star Trek, please," SNW is what they would give you wrapped in brown paper and tied with string. Star Trek as you like it! It's a solid C+ for sure. And there are even some really good episodes, too!
But man, do I wish it wasn't trying so hard to be Star Trek, and was actually doing something new and interesting. I grew up watching reruns of TOS before TNG was on the air, and then TNG was appointment viewing in my house. And I love those shows. I have those shows an I can rewatch them any time I want.
This second season has been better than the first, and I've enjoyed it, but there still hasn't been much to really get me invested. There's no hook. None of these episodes are threatening to break into my top 50. Which, granted, there is almost 900 episodes of Star Trek, so there's a lot of competition.
I just want to be excited about Trek, and SNW is not doing that for me.
I don't think either of us are arguing against the Federation reusing old components.
The only point of contention is that you were sceptical that the Voyager A could be a refit of an Intrepid-class starship due to the size disparity, and my argument is that, even though I am personally not a fan, the was the current crop of Trek showrunners have decided to use the term size doesn't really matter with regards to what is or is not a refit.
Yeah, absolutely. But that's not really what the term refit means.
And if that is a refit in Starfleet parlance -- as the instagram log claims it is -- than what prevents the Lamaar-class Voyager from also being a refit. Keep in mind that in "The Star Gazer", Picard claimed that the new Stargazer was also a refit, and, according to Matalas, it was a refit of the Constellation-class Stargazer:
"Like the TMP Enterprise, it’s a massively updated refit. I like to think of it as the story of the broom: If one day you replace the handle, and another day the brush, is it still the same broom? We thought of it as a vessel endlessly repaired and upgraded, brought in-line with current-future tech, so that somewhere underneath all the lights and polish are the bones of Picard’s original ship. Does it make sense? I don’t know. But I sure like the spirit of it."
Now, personally, I would prefer to not take anything Terry Matalas says seriously, but a lot of people seem tot think he should be Trek's new torchbearer, so there's a good chance we'll see a lot more of this nonsense in the future.
Leeta's face when she's watching Rom walk in heels and it awakens something in her is pretty good, too.
All I know is this thing is lucky the overseers don’t let us be armed.